I'm still awaiting an apology from you yet.  But I can see you interacting well 
with group members as if the use of abusive language to a lady was the most 
normal thing to do.  Did your mother tell you about manners with ladies and 
people in general?.  Or is that you were borne  with  handicap manners for 
--- On Sat, 20/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Zen] Illusory
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 20 November, 2010, 13:42


What are the rules/definitions for determining whether a phenomenon or putative 
phenomenon is illusory or not?
Thank you,
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
> As most of you already know I believe karma as understood of a kind of 
> 'spiritual cause-and-effect' is illusory - both the short- and long-term 
> version.
> ...Bill! 

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