--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote: > > ED,
> I have no alternate views on koan practice than those expressed in the article below that are significant. > The slight differences I hold are: > > [Genjo] Koans should only be used after one's meditation has entered some Samadhi. > [Bill!] There are koans called `breakthrough' koans that can and are used to INDUCE Samadhi. Examples of those are `Mu', `One Hand Clapping', `Face Before Your Mother Was Born'. The majority of koans however are used AFTER Samadhi to help fully integrate and enable the actualization of experience into everyday life. [ED] Genjo's position appears to be similar to or the same as Dr James Austin's, namely that Samadhi is a state of absortion/tranquility or Jhana state attained prior to kensho-satori. According to Genjo, koans are effective (or more effective) in making a breakthrough to kensho-satori from the Samadhi state. See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/21501 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/21501> > > [Genjo] To understand a Koan with your rational mind is only the beginning; to understand the koan fully through and through, with every fiber of your being, is just a good start. > [Bill!] Understanding has absolutely nothing to do with responding to a koan. [ED] Genjo is almost certainly using 'understanding' in the sense of 'responding appropriately' - unless his 45 years of practice is illusory. I hadn't ever heard of koans being grouped into the 5 groups that Genjo suggests. I liked those groupings, but as he himself said, "... any number of sub-divisions could be devised, and all are ultimately meaningless, a koan is just a koan." Bill!