Hi Bill,

You stated that Shigantaza is "just this".  If "just this" is indeed 
Shigantaza, as you stated, now I would understand finally why you 
channel most postings to "just this" as the singular truth and others as 

For us to communicate better, I like to clarify some of the terms that 
we use.  I believe that your "illusory" is equate to my "form".  If so, 
then "just this", or "clear mind",  is not "as is", as per our previous 

"As is" in my posts includes everything.  It includes all the "forms", 
as well as "clear mind" and a "heart with harmonious intentions".  In 
other words, "as is" includes both "illusions" and "clear mind" of 
yours, plus "pure heart without other impulses".

You are separating "Just this" from all "illusions", which is not wrong, 
while we teach to accept all "forms" as well as maintaining a "clear 
mind" and a "pure heart".  "Pure heart" in our our school also means 
"originally embedded with compassion or harmonious intentions".

For us to live an enlightened life, accept/fulfill/consummate every 
"form", or "illusion", is a required condition, which is why we need 
"pana/wisdom" as well as maintaining a "clear mind without judgment" in 
addition to "pure heart without various impulses, or without karmic 

These are the basis often for me to say "ALL".  All includes the life 
force and wisdom of the universal essence as well as all the transient, 
relative and impermanent forms.

Then we are whole and complete.  Otherwise, we are still practicing a 
incomplete practice.


Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can


Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are 
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:

<*> Your email settings:
    Individual Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:
    (Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:

Reply via email to