As usual I'm at a loss to be able to link your post below with my post

Did you want to make a comment about my post by referencing the Eightfold
Path?  If so, what is the comment?


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Subject: Re: [Zen] The BBC on Zen

The Noble Eightfold Path:
1. Right View 
2. Right Intention 
3. Right Speech 
4. Right Action
5. Right Livlihood
6. Right Effort 
Mental Development 
7. Right Mindfulness 
8. Right Concentration
A Buddhist understanding of 'right' in the Noble Eightfold Path is to be
found in:

1. Right View

2. Right Intention

3. Right Speech
Ethical Conduct

4. Right Action

5. Right Livelihood

6. Right Effort
Mental Development

7. Right Mindfulness

8. Right Concentration

Apparently, Samurai warriors learned zen (Mental Development  or Meditation)
from Zen monks, but their motivation and ethics, and their understanding of
'right' were different. See: http://zen.thetao.info/read/samurai.htm

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
> [ED] Bill, from whom did you first learn of the existence of two separate
> entities, 'zen' and 'Zen' (Zen Buddhism)?

> [Bill!] I discovered that myself, although I might have received a hint of
> this from my first teacher (Koryu Roshi) was a lay roshi from the Japanese
> Zen Buddhist Rinzai tradition who deemphasized the importance of taking
> vows. 
> There are also a lot of references in traditional zen literature that
> could be interpreted to support this: 'If you meet the Buddha on the road,
> kill him', tales of Buddhist scholars that burned their books after
> enlightened, the constant use of everyday objects and activities rather
> religious objects and activities by ancient zen masters when asked about
> Buddha Mind. 
> Now of course I probably read into those what I want to hear
> to support my belief. I also have a belief that the experience of Buddha
> Mind is THE basic religious experience as described by most all religions
> especially Christianity with which I am most familiar. 
> If this experience
> is universal then it is not exclusively Buddhist. I think it is universal
> and it is just expressed in different cultures and societies using the
> language they have available. This is why I say Zen Buddhism is a Buddhist
> expression of zen. 
> [ED]Are the centres established by Maezumi, Shunryu Suzuki, Joshu Sazaki
> other Japanese Teachers 'zen' centers or 'Zen Buddhist' centers?
> [Bill!] The Zen Center of Los Angeles (ZCLA) established by Maezumi Roshi
> and the several satellite centers are Zen Buddhist centers. I can't speak
> to the other roshi's centers but I'd expect them to be Zen Buddhist
> ...Bill!

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