Bill,

Do you agree that this state of 'shikantaza' or 'samadhi' first occurs
prior to the kensho-satori stage?

--ED



--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> I normally don't use the term 'samadhi', but in the post below I meant
> 'shikantaza' - the state where there is a dissolution of self.
>
> ...Bill!



> Bill, 'Samadhi' has several meanings; in which sense do you use use
> 'samadhi'?  --ED




> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, BillSmart@ wrote:
> >
> > This is Beijing Bill.
> >
> > While in samadhi there are no events.
> There is only now. An event is a description of a slice of time that
has a
> beginning and ending. You MIGHT say you focus on now, but focus is not
quite
> the right word. At least for me focus denotes an effort or intent.
There is
> 'just now' without focus. You might have to focus to get to that
point, but
> when you get to that point focus and self and events all dissolve
away.
> >
> > ...Bill!




> > ED,
> >
> > You say, "focuses it like a laser beam on any and all events or a
chosen
> subset of events in the here and now, to achieve specified
objectives."
> >
> > In my understanding, zen's mindfulness does not focus on any
'events'. I
> would like to hear from Bill about this.
> >
> > Anthony




> > The essence of the contribution of Zen to the martial arts is to be
found
> > in:
> > 7. Right Concentration
> > 8. Right Mindfulness.
> > Concentration and Mindfulness are secular activities, and yes, the
> Concentration is a pre-requisite for the development of Mindfulnes;
that is,
> in the moment the mind takes the already-developed Concentration and
focuses
> it like a laser beam on any and all events or a chosen subset of
events in
> the here and now, to achieve specified objectives. This capability is
> especially effective in the martial arts and in business strategizing.
> > --ED


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