Anthony,

Thanks for the correction.  I do understand it is a technique which leads to a 
state of dissolution of self.  We're tugging over nuances of terms.  Could you 
say you are TRYING or ATTEMPTING to sit shikantaza, and it's only when you 
reach the dissolution of self that you are really sitting shikantaza?  That's 
the sense I have of the word.

But I'm just a gaijin, what do I know?

...Bill!

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:18 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

  
Bill,
 
Again you got it wrong. Shikantaza (=zhiguan dazuo) is not a state. It is a 
technique of single-minded sitting, which can result in a dissolution of a 
self, as well as in a plot of overthrowing a government.
 
Anthonhy

--- On Mon, 6/12/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:

From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 9:02 AM
  
Ed,

I normally don't use the term 'samadhi', but in the post below I meant
'shikantaza' - the state where there is a dissolution of self.

...Bill!

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:28 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

  

 
Bill, 'Samadhi' has several meanings; in which sense do you use use
'samadhi'?  --ED
 
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> This is Beijing Bill.
> 
> While in samadhi there are no events. 
There is only now. An event is a description of a slice of time that has a
beginning and ending. You MIGHT say you focus on now, but focus is not quite
the right word. At least for me focus denotes an effort or intent. There is
'just now' without focus. You might have to focus to get to that point, but
when you get to that point focus and self and events all dissolve away.
> 
> ...Bill!
Yes, 
 
 
> ED,
> 
> You say, "focuses it like a laser beam on any and all events or a chosen
subset of events in the here and now, to achieve specified objectives."
> 
> In my understanding, zen's mindfulness does not focus on any 'events'. I
would like to hear from Bill about this.
> 
> Anthony
 
> The essence of the contribution of Zen to the martial arts is to be found
in:
> 7. Right Concentration
> 8. Right Mindfulness.
> Concentration and Mindfulness are secular activities, and yes, the
Concentration is a pre-requisite for the development of Mindfulnes; that is,
in the moment the mind takes the already-developed Concentration and focuses
it like a laser beam on any and all events or a chosen subset of events in
the here and now, to achieve specified objectives. This capability is
especially effective in the martial arts and in business strategizing.
> --ED

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