Anthony, This is why I keep digging in on this. Shikantaza can NOT be confused, daydreaming or full of lust. Single-minded sitting could not be confused or daydreaming, but it could be single-mindedly focuses on lust or any other object. Shikantaza is not sitting single-mindedly focused on an object. The mind is clear, not full of or occupied with an object.
...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:21 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts Bill, Single-minded sitting is a correct translation of shikantaza without adding anything else. Shikantaza may not be clear minded. It can also be confused, daydreaming, and full of lust while sitting. Anthony --- On Tue, 7/12/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 7 December, 2010, 7:36 PM Anthony, Well…’single-minded sitting’ is what I am trying to describe by using the term. I have heard it also called ‘clear-mind’ sitting. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:34 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts Gaijin-san, Shikantaza only means single-minded sitting. Anything else you add to the meaning is your additions, not in the original sense of the word. Anthony --- On Tue, 7/12/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 7 December, 2010, 1:59 PM Anthony, Thanks for the correction. I do understand it is a technique which leads to a state of dissolution of self. We're tugging over nuances of terms. Could you say you are TRYING or ATTEMPTING to sit shikantaza, and it's only when you reach the dissolution of self that you are really sitting shikantaza? That's the sense I have of the word. But I'm just a gaijin, what do I know? ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:18 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts Bill, Again you got it wrong. Shikantaza (=zhiguan dazuo) is not a state. It is a technique of single-minded sitting, which can result in a dissolution of a self, as well as in a plot of overthrowing a government. Anthonhy --- On Mon, 6/12/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 9:02 AM Ed, I normally don't use the term 'samadhi', but in the post below I meant 'shikantaza' - the state where there is a dissolution of self. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:28 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts Bill, 'Samadhi' has several meanings; in which sense do you use use 'samadhi'? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote: > > This is Beijing Bill. > > While in samadhi there are no events. There is only now. An event is a description of a slice of time that has a beginning and ending. You MIGHT say you focus on now, but focus is not quite the right word. At least for me focus denotes an effort or intent. There is 'just now' without focus. You might have to focus to get to that point, but when you get to that point focus and self and events all dissolve away. > > ...Bill! Yes, > ED, > > You say, "focuses it like a laser beam on any and all events or a chosen subset of events in the here and now, to achieve specified objectives." > > In my understanding, zen's mindfulness does not focus on any 'events'. I would like to hear from Bill about this. > > Anthony > The essence of the contribution of Zen to the martial arts is to be found in: > 7. Right Concentration > 8. Right Mindfulness. > Concentration and Mindfulness are secular activities, and yes, the Concentration is a pre-requisite for the development of Mindfulnes; that is, in the moment the mind takes the already-developed Concentration and focuses it like a laser beam on any and all events or a chosen subset of events in the here and now, to achieve specified objectives. This capability is especially effective in the martial arts and in business strategizing. > --ED __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5674 (20101204) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5674 (20101204) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5677 (20101206) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5677 (20101206) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5677 (20101206) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5677 (20101206) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5677 (20101206) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5677 (20101206) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! 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