Bill,

Get rid of attachments to shikantaza. Just sitting is just sitting. Confusion, 
clear mind etc are its attachments.

Anthony

--- On Thu, 9/12/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:

From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 December, 2010, 7:11 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Anthony,



If someone is sitting and is confused then he is not doing shikantaza because 
he's not 'just sitting'.  He might be TRYING to do shikantaza.



…Bill!



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Anthony Wu

Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 6:00 PM

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts



Bill,

 

You made some progress, but you still think in terms of 'qualified' or 
'modified' shikantaza. It is not only a certain kind of 'act'. It is any kind 
of act occurring during 'just sitting'. Since you are half way to 
enlightenment, you can only think about clear mind or its dissolution. I 
suggest you remember the suffering world. When a teenager does shikantaza (just 
sitting) in the pure sense of the word, his mind can be confused.

 

Anthony



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From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, 9 December, 2010, 8:30 AM

  

Anthony,



No! No! No! You are not wrong!



Shikantaza IS INDEED ‘just sitting’. What it IS NOT is sitting AND thinking 
about things, being confused, excited, etc…



Shikantaza IS INDEED “…only and act, nothing to do with the state of mind.” 
This is because your mind (your discriminating/rational mind) is not present. 
It has dissolved, like a dream dissolves when you wake up.



…Bill!



From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu

Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 8:38 AM

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts



Bill,



Now I have found out that single-minded sitting is not completely equivalent to 
shikantaza. The latter is an act of just sitting. For you, it always results in 
concentration and clear mind. But a teenager, when in the act of 'shikantaza', 
can be confused or excited. In other words, shikantaza is only an act, nothing 
to do with the state of mind. The latter depends on your own directions.



Anthony



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From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, 8 December, 2010, 8:36 AM



Anthony,



This is why I keep digging in on this. Shikantaza can NOT be confused, 
daydreaming or full of lust. Single-minded sitting could not be confused or 
daydreaming, but it could be single-mindedly focuses on lust or any other 
object. Shikantaza is not sitting single-mindedly focused on an object. The 
mind is clear, not full of or occupied with an object.



...Bill!



From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu

Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:21 AM

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts



Bill,



Single-minded sitting is a correct translation of shikantaza without adding 
anything else. Shikantaza may not be clear minded. It can also be confused, 
daydreaming, and full of lust while sitting.



Anthony



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From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, 7 December, 2010, 7:36 PM



Anthony,



Well…’single-minded sitting’ is what I am trying to describe by using the term. 
I have heard it also called ‘clear-mind’ sitting.



…Bill!



From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu

Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:34 PM

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts



Gaijin-san,



Shikantaza only means single-minded sitting. Anything else you add to the 
meaning is your additions, not in the original sense of the word.



Anthony



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From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, 7 December, 2010, 1:59 PM



Anthony,



Thanks for the correction. I do understand it is a technique which leads to a 
state of dissolution of self. We're tugging over nuances of terms. Could you 
say you are TRYING or ATTEMPTING to sit shikantaza, and it's only when you 
reach the dissolution of self that you are really sitting shikantaza? That's 
the sense I have of the word.



But I'm just a gaijin, what do I know?



...Bill!



From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu

Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:18 PM

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts



Bill,



Again you got it wrong. Shikantaza (=zhiguan dazuo) is not a state. It is a 
technique of single-minded sitting, which can result in a dissolution of a 
self, as well as in a plot of overthrowing a government.



Anthonhy



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From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>

Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 9:02 AM



Ed,



I normally don't use the term 'samadhi', but in the post below I meant

'shikantaza' - the state where there is a dissolution of self.



...Bill!



From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of ED

Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:28 PM

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts



Bill, 'Samadhi' has several meanings; in which sense do you use use

'samadhi'? --ED



--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:

>

> This is Beijing Bill.

> 

> While in samadhi there are no events. 

There is only now. An event is a description of a slice of time that has a

beginning and ending. You MIGHT say you focus on now, but focus is not quite

the right word. At least for me focus denotes an effort or intent. There is

'just now' without focus. You might have to focus to get to that point, but

when you get to that point focus and self and events all dissolve away.

> 

> ...Bill!

Yes, 



> ED,

> 

> You say, "focuses it like a laser beam on any and all events or a chosen

subset of events in the here and now, to achieve specified objectives."

> 

> In my understanding, zen's mindfulness does not focus on any 'events'. I

would like to hear from Bill about this.

> 

> Anthony



> The essence of the contribution of Zen to the martial arts is to be found

in:

> 7. Right Concentration

> 8. Right Mindfulness.

> Concentration and Mindfulness are secular activities, and yes, the

Concentration is a pre-requisite for the development of Mindfulnes; that is,

in the moment the mind takes the already-developed Concentration and focuses

it like a laser beam on any and all events or a chosen subset of events in

the here and now, to achieve specified objectives. This capability is

especially effective in the martial arts and in business strategizing.

> --ED



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