Mel,

I like to practice zen while washing my dishes or taking out the garabage, 
however unlike you I'm usually pretty verbose.

...Bill!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "gunnar19632000" <gunnar19632...@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
> 
> I don't know about anybody else here, but I'd just like to say that 
> meditation in silence and the practise of a martial art(any one) go quite 
> well together. With my health issues, I'm not really able to attend regular 
> karate classes anymore but I do continue to practise on my own with kihon and 
> kata
> 
> I consider (Shotokan) karate to be most apt when it comes to following a 
> 'zenful' life, so to speak. Direct and straight to the point, and perhaps 
> with some similarities in principle to the WingChun style.To me, Zen is about 
> directness and practicality whilst avoiding unecessary complications. I avoid 
> getting too wordy or mystical when it comes to my own words on Zen itself, 
> and how it relates to anything outside of the meditation hall, or temple. 
> Like the late Shunryu Suzuki, I consider Zen as something that has to relate 
> to everyday life itself. I don't find it hard in picking any everyday 
> situation where some of that Zen essence may play a part. This is most 
> obvious during karate(or some other martial art) training, where 
> concentration as required in zazen is a prime factor. However, we're not in 
> the dojo(Zen, or karate) all the time, and most of our life deals with 
> normal, everyday issues eg. paying bills, shopping, work, leisure, etc. How 
> to get better with such everyday issues is my concern, and what most 
> interests me..not rituals or mysticism. On a side note, a young Thai boy once 
> advised me to take my Buddha statue to the monks for blessing so that it(the 
> statue) may bring me blessings and good fortune...or at least that's how I 
> understood it from him. A lady from Laos also said something similar. 
> Personally, I find the whole idea of it to be quite ridiculous
> 
> Zen and the martial arts complement each other..very well. Each side 
> reinforces the other. Whilst one may strike or move in a circular manner from 
> the Bagua-zhang or Shaolin styles, the Shotokan school teaches 
> directness...and to use an old quote..'the shortest distance between 2 points 
> is a straight line'. To be direct and straight to the point..that is also 
> from Zen. It's like another old quote I heard a long time ago...'when it's 
> dark, light a candle'..
> 
> Having said the above, how can then something as changing a baby's nappy be 
> so difficult, or complicated. One is faced with a soiled nappy, and so one 
> changes it for the child. In karate, one strikes and the other blocks or 
> avoids, and counter-strikes at the same time. You're low on finances, and you 
> therefore tighten expenditure. When one is sick, one goes to the doctor. 
> Pretty much like....'when it's dark, you light a candle'..
> 
> The book ZEN MIND BEGINNER'S MIND is really a good book to follow by. I'm not 
> going to quote from it the way they do in bible or Islamic forums. With such 
> in mind, I wonder these days if my attendance of Quaker meetings (services 
> which are based on silence) had been nothing more but an extension of my  
> past Zen practise
> 
> Mel
>




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