Well, Ed. Since you remain "attentive and receptive" to Chan way. May I elaborate a little more?

In my personal opinion, Zen, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Bahai, Krishna are all offsprings of Chan. (Similar to what Bill stated about Zen)

Yet, Chan, Zen, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Bahai, Krishna are one of the same, the only difference is the words each uses and the journey each sage traveled through.

Bible describes the "way" of Jesus. Sutra describes the "journey" of Buddha. Zen Forum is the "opinion" of Zen. My blog describes my "diary" in Chan

Chan is One and ALL. Like a picture, if you watch too closely, you will see each stroke, but missing the main theme. Unless if you are writing a book or a report, then you will need all the academic references.

Off the bat, Chan and Zen both emphasizes "Without words, teach outside of teaching..."

I hope it helps.


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On 12/28/2010 10:59 PM, ED wrote:

Hi JM,

Thank you so much for elaborating on and clarifying the Chan Way. At this point in time I am interested in traditional Zen/zen Ways, but will remain attentive and receptive to your presentations of the Chan Way.


--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming  wrote:
Hi Ed,

Well, since my name has mentioned in your post. I thank you for granting me this opportunity.

1.  I don't know what Shikantaza is.  Sorry.
2.  I don't know what Samatha is.  Sorry again.
3.  I know how to sit the Chan way as I described below.
4. I don't compare either, as you may notice, because comparing definition or words is not something Chan recommends.
5.  Nor do I discuss, because nothing I have posted has any value.
6.  Everything I have posted everyone already "know".
7.  There is only one thing I recommend -- meditate the Chan Way.
8. When you begins to witness something different, then ask me. Not quotes from others, only your personal experience.

I hope you don't find my answers harsh. Because my job really is just to share what I have experienced. No more and no less. Every word is my personal witness. Yet word has no value. They are just descriptions of some real phenomenon and not the phenomenon itself.

I respect your persistent search for the truth. But truth is not out there. Truth is always within you. And truth exists in every moment and in every being, big or small.

All you have to do is to stop search outward and begin searching inward. Once you found it, you will said to yourself, "Amazing. It is really really simple."

Yes, Absolute Dharma is like the period at the end of this sentence.


BTW, FYI. Chan meditation is really routed in Tao. If you read XinXinMing. You will discovered it is quite Tao. I hope this helps.

Hi JM, Bill and All -

What is described below by JM is 'concentration meditation' or 'samatha', which in zazen is preliminary to the main practice of shikantaza. This preliminary samatha can be brief for a practitioner who can stabilize her mind quickly.

"Samatha comprises a suite, type or styleof Buddhist meditation or concentration practices designed to enhance sustained voluntary attention, and culminates in an attention that can be sustained effortlessly for hours on end." (Wiki)

"According to Dogen Zenji, shikantaza i.e. resting in a state of brightly alert attention that is free of thoughts, directed to no object, and attached to no particular content is the highest or purest form of /zazen/, /zazen/ as it was practiced by all the buddhas of the past." (Wiki)

In later posts, we shall compare different techniques for the samatha meditation portion of zazen.

JM, is Chan meditation comprised of the samatha practice described below, without any subsequent shikantaza?


--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming  wrote:

> Follow the path of our breath in a slow and continuous fashion.

> "Feel" the chi going through our nose, to our throat, into our lung, into our
> belly.

> The key is SSDL. (Slow, Soft, Deep and Long).

> The objective is to be able to breathe about 4 times in one minute maximum.

> Just "feel" and "sense".

> Not visualizing, not imagining.

> No counting.

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