Besides Buddhism and Tao, your Chan practice also absorb something from Tibetan 
Tantrism, as described by you on chakras and energy channels. If you don't 
agree, please explain.

--- On Tue, 11/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <> wrote:

From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 3:17 PM


Hello TMSO,  (I hope you don't mind me using initials  :-) )

Again very important question.  Before I say anything I like to repeat what my 
teacher often remind us, "Practice and you shall witness. We all can."  My 
words are only for your reference.

The Sitting Practice of Chan is mostly Tao.  The Words are most Buddhism, 
because 49 years of teaching gave us a lot of terms to use.  The spiritual 
realms we reach however are universal and label-less.

Stage one, we practice to reach Constant Turning Of Dharma Wheels.  In layman's 
language, that is to cycle three energy channels passing all ten chakras, three 
times, within a single breath.  Then our body is pure.  This will take about 
three years for average person, if practices on a daily basis. At this stage, 
our physical being transforms into an energy being, we are naturally fed with 
universal energy constantly. (I don't have jet lag.  Don't get tired.)

Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form is called by some the Ninth Consciousness, 
or the Realm of Light.  It is the Truth, Kindness and Perfection. Some call it 
the nature of the universe, or nature of chan, or the nature of all of us.  :-) 
Our meditation website is htttp://  And if you register 
and log in at, there are about 8 or 10 video taught directly by 
our Lineage Chan Master, be connected with His chi while listening to his 
words.  There is English subtitle. Each is about 45 minutes long. 

Let me know if you need more details.  Thank you for giving me this opportunity 
to share.


Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can

On 1/10/2011 8:14 PM, taomtnsage1 wrote: 

To Jue Miao Jing Ming- Could you please tell me how Chan is different than Tao. 
Also, how in Chan can we rid our bodies of dirty chi, and replace it with 
fresh. I meditate with a candle (candle gazing) and am able to go for long 
periods where I am "one" with the candle. I can't describe it-I just "am". I 
have no thoughts, I just "am." It's incredible. Lastly, what is the state of 
Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form. Thank you for taking the time to answer 

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