Chris:

I´ve have read you and acknowledge your response. 

Thank you
Mayka

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane <chris@...> wrote:
>
> I do not come to the forum expecting it to be a place just for practicing zen 
> folk, and I am happy to apologize to Ed today. He has the upset because of my 
> action, so it works well for me to respond in the way he is asking.  I 
> personally think, based on my own somewhat argumentative marriage, that the 
> upset person is usually expressing some real chance to improve the 
> relationship, and the job of the relationship is to do what is needed to calm 
> every one down and figure out what the chance to make things better is. 
> 
> I do not expect much from people and I do not mind apologizing. I am not 
> saying "I was in error." but "oh, you were upset by my actions, sorry, let me 
> try to do it differently next time." 
> 
> Not to say that the goal isn't to upset people, but to do what is needed 
> without gratuitous upset. Why be excessive?  There is plenty of upset without 
> adding to it. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris Austin-Lane
> Sent from a cell phone
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:47, Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Chris.
> > 
> > It´s kind of you to apologise to ED if you believe having done something 
> > incorrect.  The only thing here is that you didn´t.  The example of the 
> > peach has as much value as the example of the rice as both come from the 
> > direct experience of the practise from two different people.. This is 
> > called the fruits of the practice.
> > 
> >  Unless Mr ED and similars get into the real practise of zen, their 
> > opinions are not relevant and not certainly relable at present as far as 
> > zen concerns.  Mr ED opinions in zen only will be reliable the day that 
> > he´ll be talking about any subject he has experienced by himself and not 
> > because somebody else has said that.
> > 
> > Best
> > Mayka
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote:
> > 
> > From: Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...>
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Not understanding mindfulness
> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 16:18
> > 
> > I apologize if I have violated the current cultural mores, Ed.  
> > Understanding group norms has always been a thing I stumble over, I can use 
> > all the hints I can get.  I do not mean to tell you Ed to sit zazen.  I 
> > simply mean that thinking about things and experiencing things are 
> > different.  Even experiencing thinking is different from thinking about 
> > thinking.  I may have been hoping to let the lurkers know my observation 
> > that sittting zazen does make the shift in attention easier, so I notice 
> > the experiencing before it is covered up in thinking easier when I've sat 
> > recently).  
> > 
> > 
> > I certainly enjoy the to and fro of verbal interchanges.  
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > --Chris
> > 
> > PS  The eat the peach/scrutinize the picture of the peach is a reference to 
> > a Dogen essay, where the title is actual something more along the lines of 
> > a bowl of rice or a picture of a bowl of rice, not a peach.  
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:07 AM, ED <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
> > 
> > Scrutinizing the peach and biting into it are not mutually exclusive 
> > choices for different points in time.
> > The 'choice' one makes for any moment in time is whatever appears to 
> > oneself to be the most appropriate choice for that moment.
> > 
> > Almost anyone here could give others repetitious advice on how to run their 
> > lives, and their intentions, like those of fundamentalist religionists, 
> > would no doubt be motivated by good intentions; but, guided by current 
> > cultural mores, at least in English-speaking countries, most abstain from 
> > such well-intentioned speech.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Indeed Chris.  We always have a choice. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > > --- On Sun, 9/1/11, Chris Austin-Lane chris@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > To eat the peach or make do with the picture of a lovely peach. It is a 
> > > daily choice we face.
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > On Jan 8, 2011 11:18 PM, "Maria Lopez" flordeloto@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > Much, much short cut to  eat the peach rather than to have the poetry and 
> > > much more often the speculation by the ones who read a lot about  what 
> > > look like the taste of the peach but never tried, tasted or even see a 
> > > peach in their life.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>




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