On Saturday, February 5, 2011, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Scientists wake up too? Interesting. Thank you Chris. I have > learned. I am sure that has happened but that was not my point, which was just that scientists understand the subjective nature of living, and that the idea of pure objectivity is not very common in science, at least any more. Writing this, I wish also to assure you that you do not need to compare Chan to science to make it seem good. To my hearing, comparing what you offer to a false picture of scientific activity is less persuasive than just putting forth your program on its own merits. That may be just me. > BTW, we already have a meditation center setup in Silicon Valley > last year. We will have our Chan Center setup in Los Angeles this > spring. You once wrote that you no longer feel tired ever, but I try to live so that I am tired at night and ready for sleep. I like the zen I am being taught, which is to sleep when tired and eat when hungry. Ordinary. Cheers, chris > > :-) > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > > On 2/5/2011 9:27 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, February 5, 2011, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 > <[email protected] <chan.jmjm%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > Good Morning To You, > > > > As a scientist or a scholar, the training is to > remain absolutely > > objective, be an observer and never contaminate the > fact in front of us > > with our own interpretation or subjective filtering. > This is well > > respected and understood. > > I don't think this is true anymore. Since at least Kuhn's > _Structure > of Scientific Revolutions_, people have been pretty clear > that we all > have a perspective, and that while that structure changes > as we > experience life, experiments, data, etc, we can't > arbitrarily see any > possible theory. Old school geologists couldn't see the > many many > traces of continetal drift, and geology did not see it > until the old > school died. > > Perhaps science could be described as a group activity > that strives to > build a shared understanding about life that holds up for > people with > varying subjectivities. > > Even the classical scientific method that is more often > seen in > elementary schools than science labs starts out with an > assumption > that the observer cannot be objective, and tries to find > ways to work > with that fact. A priori written down predictions are a > response to > that. Double blind surveys are a response to that > subjective observer. > doing an experiment is humble: it is to say that reason is > not enough, > we must engage the real world. > > Not to say that science is zen or Zen or zazen, but it is > an actual > human activity, distinct from the ideas we may have about > it. > > Congrats again on your promotion, JMJM. > > --Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
