Hi All, Still in India and just letting you know I'm still alive (but a lot thinner..). It's been an amazing experience so far and I've learned a lot from being here. Just thought I'd add something to this thread. Has anyone read the book by Ken Wilber: Grace and Grit (1991) about his wife who had, and died from, cancer? A remarkable insight into dying, death and (ultimately) how to live. Wilber himself (at the the time of writing) had been sitting (Zen) for 15 years and Treya, his wife, had been studying vipassana for 10 years. They both incorporated transpersonal pyschology, yoga, Tibetan Buddhism and the teachings of Ramana Maharshi (something for everyone!) into their dealing with cancer and I can say it's a very powerful book. If anyone has read it and would like to discuss it, I'd be happy to oblige!
Namaste, Mike ________________________________ From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 12 February, 2011 18:37:11 Subject: Re: [Zen] visualization Thank you K...for your response. My only credentials are myself direct experience with pain and the way I have managed to manage it through the years. I have no more credentials than that. I'm not involved in any group or teach to anyone this. My offer was an spontaneous and natural offer to do to others who may be in physical pain. Nothing else. I'm not graduate in anything to do with pain. I haven't read books about it either. I offered only my personal experience with it which might be useful or might be not. However, thank you so much for your offer and think it over. Mayka --- On Sat, 12/2/11, Kristy McClain <[email protected]> wrote: >From: Kristy McClain <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Zen] visualization >To: [email protected] >Date: Saturday, 12 February, 2011, 9:27 > > > > >Hi Mayka, > >All of us has.. Since i, and you, have experienced this.. I will fly you to >CA, and pay you a fee, though the classes are free for patients. Its time for >you to teach.. > >I will be teaching, and my husband, as well as 14 other physicians will be >involved. Please send me privately your pain management experience and >your >qualifications. This isn't a joke. I just finished a grant. > > Mayka.. put up or shut up. > > Bill.. I'm happy to bow out here.. My life is real.. This-- > > But , Mayka, if you can demonatrate that you have real verified >credentials-- >the offer stands.. I'd love to meet you, and work with you. I'll will fwd >your >info to the committee. They must approve your involvement.. and I hope they >do. > >Contact me privatey if this is of interest. > >Thanks, > >Kristy > > > >--- On Sat, 2/12/11, Maria Lopez <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [Zen] visualization >>To: [email protected] >>Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 12:20 AM >> >> >> >>Several years ago I followed a program by a Hospital with high credibility in >>Edinburgh. They were experiencing with "pain management". I went into >>agreement with the directorate to be one of their patients they experiment >>with. Their team was composed by psicologists, phisiotherapists, >>therapists....It was the directorate himself who took me under his >>experimentation. My experience about that was that they heard bells >>somewhere >>but then they just repeat to the patien what they heard. They were lacking >>of >>the real insight that only comes through the practice of sitting down >>carried out away of the cushion to the ordinary life. In cases like this >>it's >>unluckily they can help anyone for real as far as pain management concerns. >> >>If anyone on this website suffers from physical pain, I might be able to >>help. >>There is nothing better than someone who is in the boat of pain and have >>managed >>to manage it. I have gained through the years some personal experience >>here. >> >> >>Mayka >> >> >>--- On Fri, 11/2/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>From: Bill! <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: [Zen] visualization >>>To: [email protected] >>>Date: Friday, 11 February, 2011, 1:18 >>> >>> >>> >>>Kristy, >>> >>>A good example of a zen style pain-managment would be the scene in FIGHT >>>CLUB >>>where Brad Pitt pours lye on Ed Norton's hand and then guides him gently >>>through >>>some what I call zen-style pain managment. >>> >>>...Bill! >>> >>>--- In [email protected], Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Anthony, >>>>  >>>> So zen is anything not dualistic. I'm not a zen scholar, and the way I >>>>practice zen includes compassionate service, and ethical conduct. So, >>>>technically, my zen practice is not authentic zen. >>>>  >>>> Oh well. >>>>  >>>> I first learned about visualization froma book called "Creative >>>>Visualization" , from the 70's era. In recent years, there have been >>>>many >>>>healing therapies that use it. "The violet flame", for example. I am >>>>learning as I go along how incredible powerful the mind really is. >>>>Sometimes >>>>visualization is called the placebo-effect. Here's an example. In a >>>>meta-analysis on studies on depression, it has been demonstrated that use >>>>of >>>>anti-depressants for mild -to moderate depression , is no more >>>>effective, >>>>than if given a placebo. If you believe it works-- it can. >>>>(Meta-analaysis >>>>is a study of studies). >>>>  >>>> Here's another.. >>>>  >>>> In my pain management class with "seniors" ;), I will arrive the first >>>> day >>>>with a surfboard and related equipment. When I introduce myself, I >>>>will welcome everyone, and tell them how excited I am they are interested >>>>in >>>> learning how to surf! I'll go on for a few minutes about the number of >>>>years >>>>I've been doing it, and boy-- are they gonna love it! >>>>  >>>> As they look at me as if I've lost my mind, we will laugh a bit, and in >>>>effect--it creates a paradigm shift. If I believe they can do it, ( >>>>and I >>>>do), they will too--in time. First, I will take them into a relaxation >>>>visualization with their breath. Its the first step in a process. >>>>  >>>> In Santa Barbara, it will probably be roller-blades, or hiking gear. In >>>> Utah, >>>>with cardiac patients, it will be a pair of skis, wax, and files, as if I >>>>were >>>>leading a "Tune Your Own Skis" class. >>>>  >>>> Isn't it possible to begin with two halves and unify them into one? So, >>>> maybe >>>>beginning with dualism isn't so bad? To me-- all of this is zen. I >>>>don't >>>>have to define its boundaries in that way. >>>>  >>>> My two cents.. *s* k >>>>  >>>>  >>>>  On Thu, 2/10/11, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] visualization >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 2:44 PM >>>> >>>> >>>>  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brett, >>>>  >>>> I did for about a year and gave up. That, no doubt, can be a good >>>> practice. But >>>>it is not zen. >>>>  >>>> Anthony >>>> >>>> --- On Fri, 11/2/11, artist <brettalancorbin@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: artist <brettalancorbin@...> >>>> Subject: [Zen] visualization >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Friday, 11 February, 2011, 5:01 AM >>>> >>>> >>>>  >>>> >>>> I was just wondering if anyone here uses any visualization practises in >>>> their >>>>meditation. >>>> Brett. >>>> >>> >>> >
