ED, You are right. Though I support Osho's view on zen having no attitudes toward sex, I am against his comment on Tantra being a 'medicine'. At best, Tantra is a way to cover up lust. I said lust is unavoidable, but should have restrictions. If you cannot fly in the sky, you should be limited in sexuality as well. If a zen master using his 'no attitudes' on sex to have an affair with his student, it is as much as flying in the sky without a turbojet engine. Anthony
--- On Tue, 15/2/11, ED <[email protected]> wrote: From: ED <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Zen, Tantra and Sex To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, 15 February, 2011, 11:55 PM Steve, perhaps the zen teachers we have been discussing were exhibiting their zenish 'no attitude' toward sex? Anthony, Osho has an attitude toward Tantra - but it is quite the opposite to yours! --ED > [Excerpt from] Osho on Zen Approach towards Sex > Question - Osho, What is the Zen Approach towards Sex? The Zen people seem to > have a neuter gender, or asexual aura around them. > Osho - Zen has no attitudes about sex, and that is the beauty of Zen. To have > an attitude means you are still obsessed this way or that. Somebody is > against sex -- he has an attitude; and somebody is for sex -- he has an > attitude. And for and against go together like two wheels of a bullock cart. > They are not enemies, they are friends, partners in the same business. ... > Zen has no attitude about sex. Why should one have any attitude about sex? > That's the beauty of it -- Zen is utterly natural. Do you have any attitudes > about drinking water? Do you have any attitudes about taking food? Do you > have any attitudes about going to sleep in the night? No attitudes. ... > ... Zen has no attitudes about sex. Zen is very simple, Zen is innocent. Zen > is childlike. It says there is no need to have any attitudes. Why? Do you > have any attitude about sneezing? -- to sneeze or not, whether it is sin or > virtue. You don't have any attitude. ... > Tantra has an attitude about sex. The reason? -- it tries to redress what the > society has done. Tantra is medical. The society has repressed sex; Tantra > comes as a remedy to help you redress balance. You have leaned too much to > the left; Tantra comes and helps you to lean to the right. And to redress the > balance sometimes you have to lean too much to the right, only then the > balance is gained. ... Tantra is a remedy. > ... The so-called religions say sex is sin and Tantra says sex is the only > sacred phenomenon. Tantra is a remedy. Zen is not a remedy. Zen is the state > when the illness has disappeared; and of course, with the illness, the remedy > too. Once you are cured of your illness you don't go on carrying the > prescription and the bottle and the medicine with you. You throw it. It goes > to the dustbin. > Ordinary society is against sex; Tantra comes to help humanity, to give sex > back to humanity. And when the sex has been given back, then arises Zen. Zen > has no attitude. Zen is pure health. Source - Osho Book "The Diamond Sutra"
