Kristy, Now this is more original, more you than borrowing my Just THIS! Kristy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--- In [email protected], Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote: > > Anthony, >  > *blush* *fanning me face* *sigh* *breathing fast* >  > Name the date. I'll be there.. k >  >  > > > --- On Tue, 2/22/11, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > > From: Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 8:57 PM > > >  > > > > > > > > > Bill, >  > I believe one day you will go naked in public. >  > Anthony > > --- On Wed, 23/2/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 9:14 AM > > >  > > ED, > > I would think a zen or Zen or aerobics or even a soccer teacher would > "...feel bound to adhere to sexual expectations and conventions of society", > and to abide by the law (which is just a codifed form of society's > expectations and conventions enforcable by the governement). The only > exception would be when the teacher actually wants to teach something that > specifically contradicts societal norms. In zen and Zen and aerobics or > soccer I don't beleive that is the case. > > There is however a big difference between 'feeling bound' to adhere to > societal expectations or limits and having those expectations or limits > yourself. For example I might wear clothing when I go downtown to shop, but > that doesn't mean I think going naked in public is immoral. I wear clothing > because I respect the sensibilities of my community and their laws. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill, > > Is is it not the case that a zen teacher (as against a Zen teacher) > > would not feel bound to adhere to sexual expectations and conventions of > > society, provided his behavior did not violate the law? > > --ED > > > > Definitions of nonethical on the Web: > > * Not ethical; not related to ethics > > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nonethical > > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nonethical&sa\ > > =X&ei=rsRjTcnMGpC6sAPQ3uXdCA&ved=0CAcQpAMoAA&usg=AFQjCNHh0cSXS2xs26kvpax\ > > ym2mYrUKlEA> > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > Zen (lower-case 'z') is not UN-ethical, it is A-ethical...Bill! > > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > I am led to believe you think 'zen' is unethical. > > > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > Bill, > > > I rarely if ever criticize 'hypocrisy" as it is an unconscious but > > normal > > and natural aspect of all humans and human groups. > > > > > > > The only difference I perceive between zen and Zen is a non-concern > > for good > > motivation and a non-focus on ethical behavior in zen as compared with > > Zen. > > > --ED > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > I just want to make clear that I think when you are talking about this > > article > > > and about 'Zen' in general that you are referring to Zen Buddhism. The > > reason > > I > > > want to emphasize this is that I think your justificable criticism and > > examples > > > of hypocricy are the result of the Buddhist layers of this, not zen > > itself. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > > > Zen, like most religious or spiritual paths and practices is riddled > > > > with unstated or unexamined assumptions and ambiguities. The article > > > > facilitates the task of identifying them. > > > > > > > > --ED > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
