If I may add...

Only when we "witness" the emptiness in all words, could we then embrace all words. Then and only then we are whole and be one with the One.

Thank you for your time for reading this.
JMJM

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On 2/24/2011 8:07 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote:
If I may add some perspectives to Mel's observation below....

We all know the basic Buddhist practice is simply "precepts, meditation, wisdom".

It simply means "if we can not surpass our habits -- habitual thoughts, habitual life style (the first practice), if we do not meditate (the second practice), then there is no wisdom.

Buddhist labeled this state of being, for those who do not practice, always judging, categorizing, using their mind instead of their heart, reincarnation.

"...besides, knowledge is at best second hand. What we see or hear are just emptiness..." (Seung Sahn).
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On 2/24/2011 5:12 AM, Mel wrote:

It is impossible to force change on anyone, ED. However, please do understand that I wouldn't have been the first, nor will I be the last to take note of openly dualistic postings from those outside of the path, and those who aspire to the Zen way of life itself are bound to notice such posts eventually. For better or worse, you may hear or read things you don't want to hear, or read about. That's just the way it is. That's the bad news, but the good news is that you're probably keeping the group alive by your very words of what must be quite extensive knowledge about many things...odd as they may be to some of us. Read Mayka's first reply to Steve's posting concerning this current thread. It's quite eye-opening. Nothing academic...just simple, clear-headeness..possible dualistic translation: BIG MIND Just as they have self-confessed atheists and other 'sinners' in biblical forums...we on the other hand have academics like yourself who wish to work out Zen without the experience. That's all well and good if that suits you. As I said ED, nobody can force change on you, and if that bothers them(you can include me on that list if I'm guilty), then they themselves are breaking faith with the old prince himself, and what he aspired to and taught
Buddha be praised
Mel

--- On *Thu, 24/2/11, ED /<[email protected]>/* wrote:


    From: ED <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?
    To: [email protected]
    Received: Thursday, 24 February, 2011, 1:31 AM


    Hello Mel,
    Are you possessed by an irresistible need to have me change my
    ways to make you happy?  ;-)
    Best regards,
    --ED
    --- In [email protected], Mel <gunnar19632000@...> wrote:
    >
    MEL: Yes, but the words DELIBERATE and INTENTIONAL are open to
    interpretation
    (..ED, no need to post quotes from the dictionary or Wikipedia. I
    am interested only in experiences, not academic discussions..)



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