Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes

[Maria Lopez]

Steve:
 
Glad to hear that that works out for you.  It doesn't for me.  What it works 
for me is to acknowledge, accept and let it be.  I don't discriminate any 
longer between opposite emotions.  While in silence and all by myself 
positive/negative all that is perfectly all right by me. No difference.   They 
don't fight with each other.  The trouble here is at a more social level where 
we are requested to refrain and repress all that that is uncomfortable to be 
show in society such as being temperamental or telling someone to get lost, and 
things like that.  We are requested to be and behave  within the duality of 
"peace, calmness". And of course by doing that we start to get into troubles 
with ourselves as we suppress the natural flow be.  Animals don't have this 
problem. 
 
When talking about a flower it was referring to human being as different 
flowers not to any specific emotion.  
 
I most certainly agree with the sayings by TNH of not watering the unwholesome 
seeds in one.  But I also believe that all teachings have to be applied 
according to personal reality of one and not make from them a rigid catechism.
 
Mayka 
  
 
 
 
 
--- On Fri, 11/3/11, SteveW <eugnostos2...@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: SteveW <eugnostos2...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 11 March, 2011, 5:08


  





--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote:
>
> Yon and Steve:
>  
> Awareness of habits have not helped me so far as far as emotions concerns. I 
> also consider more natural to be just as we are.
>   
> We talk about non discrimination or going beyond duality but as soon the 
> negative emotions of irritation, anger, aggression, annoyance....appear in 
> one we think that by the recitation of a name or the awareness of the 
> breathing, walking meditation....will help that to be dissolved.  And 
> perhaps that is so for the moment.  But not in the long run my experience 
> is that we thought to be dissolved it wasn't but submerged into the store 
> consciousness.  Consequently after a while that and comes back with a 
> greater strenght.  
>  
> There is something that is called "passive aggression"  and it comes out 
> when those unwelcome emotions arise in one and one tries to dissolve them.  
> I've learnt through the relationship I have with my boyfriend . 
> who happens not to be a practitioner to relax and be myself 100%..  
> Consequently we have moments of great intensity in all the ways.  And it's 
> healthy and very lively and very real for being oneselves.    
>  
> I consider that if nature gave us all that bunch of emotions in us may have 
> been for something.  Nature is wise.  
>  
> To me the most important thing is to be oneselves.  There are flowers of all 
> kinds, colors, smells, symetries....and all are beautiful just as they are.  
> The carnation doesn't want to be a rose and the rose doesn't want to be a 
> carnation.  The carnation doesn't get angry with the rose because the rose 
> has thorns.  They don't know what is discrimination or duality about.
>  
> Mayka
>  
> Hi Mayka. Thank you for your comments. I am sorry it doesn't work for you. It 
> certainly does work for me. Here are some comments by your mentor, Thich Nhat 
> Hanh: "The Buddha said that in the depth of our store consciousness, 
> alayavijnana, there are all kinds of positive and negative seeds--seeds of 
> anger, delusion, and fear, and seeds of understanding, compassion, and 
> forgiveness. Many of these seeds have been transmitted to us by our 
> ancestors. We should learn to recognize every one of these seeds in us in 
> order to practice diligence. If it is a negative seed, the seed of an 
> affliction like anger, fear, jealousy, or discrimination, we should refrain 
> from allowing it to be watered in our daily life. Every time such a seed is 
> watered, it will manifest on the upper level of our consciousness, and we 
> will suffer and make the people we love suffer at the same time. The practice 
> is to refrain from watering the negative seeds in us." -The Heart of The
 Buddha's Teaching
So you see, Mayka, we shouldn't water every flower! Of course, you have a 
perfect right to disagree with both me and TNH.
Steve 
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