ED,

'Gratifying the self' is another phrase for 'dropping attachments'.  It also 
implies the person is still under the illusion of 'self'.

These matters are at the core of zen practice.

...Bill!  

--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Bill, Yes, but it is quite OK to say that one's experience of humans,
> whether they be holy or unholy, Zen practitioners or not-Zen
> practitioners, is that they all work toward gratifying the self, by one
> means or another.  --ED
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >
> > ED, Another solution is just not to think of people as 'holy' or 'not
> holy'. They're all just people...Bill!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > Anthony,
> > >
> > > One solution to any such-like problem is not to exclude holy men and
> > > religious leaders from pursuing money, sex and power legally. I
> think
> > > that only one Great Religion posesses the wisdom to realize the
> > > intelligence of such an attitude.
> > >
> > > --ED
>




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