ED,
 
Exactly.
 
With your comprehensive knowledge of all schools of Buddhism and Zen/zen, have 
you come across an episode where Gotama declared, right after his 
enlightenment, that everybody has Buddha nature, although it is mostly occluded 
by all kinds of kelesa (dirt)?
 
I agree with you that Theravada says you can strive to be 'it', while zen 
claims you are already 'it'.
 
Is it possible that the Buddha nature myth is a mahayana invention?
 
I must pronounce here that even if it is an invention, I like it. I also like 
the story of Buddha holding out a flower and only Mahakasyapa smiling at it, 
although I believe it is another myth.
 
Anthony

--- On Thu, 19/5/11, ED <[email protected]> wrote:


From: ED <[email protected]>
Subject: [Zen] Buddha Nature
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, 19 May, 2011, 10:32 PM


  




 
Bill and Daniel,
One difference between Zen and Theravada Buddhism:
It appears that the inherent Buddha Nature of all sentient beings is a basic 
premise of Zen.
Whereas in Theravada Buddhism, the corresponding premise is that there exists 
the potential for all sentient beings to attain Buddhahood.
--ED
 
From: Oxford Dictionary of Buddhism
Buddha-nature

(Sanskrit, buddhata, buddha-dhatu; Jap., bussho). In early Buddhist thought, 
this term referred to the potentiality for becoming a Buddha through the 
traditional methods of study and religious practice. Discussion centred on 
clarifying what kind of beings had this potential and how it was to be 
developed. 

After the rise of Mahayana Buddhism, some thinkers began to question the 
validity of the distinction between practice and enlightenment (bodhi), or 
between potentiality and attainment, and so Buddha-nature gradually came to be 
seen not as a potential, but as the inherent Buddhahood of every sentient 
being. 
In this setting, the task then was not to achieve Buddhahood, but to uncover 
it. For example, the Platform Sûtra of the Sixth Patriarch compares Buddhahood 
to a full moon covered by clouds. When the clouds blow away, the moon is 
revealed. It does not gradually come into being nor is it constructed. 
Similarly, each being is already a Buddha, but this fact is obscured by 
defilements and impurities. Once these are removed, one's Buddhahood becomes 
manifest.



--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Mayka,
> 
> I always used to think 'mindfulness' was the same as 'Buddha Nature', but 
> after reading a lot of the definitions here I now think it is not.
> 
> Your definition is the same, but most of the others are not.
> 
> ...Bill!




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