Aha! Thanks Bill. :-)
________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 27 May, 2011 11:03:09 Subject: Re: [Zen] Newbie - hello & question Beverley, Attachments are attachments,even attachments to someone you love. That doesn't mean you shouldn't love them. You should. It just means the love should be a love with no attachments - no expectations, no requirements, no feelings of possession or ownership. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Beverley Huish <beverley.huish@...> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > Yes, the attachments (especially in difficult situations!) are the problem. >How > > about attachments to family members and friends (rather than thoughts). > Obviously, family members, at core, aren't who they appear to be: how does >Zen > > approach fondness for the illusory personalities of people we care about? > > Beverley. > >  > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 26 May, 2011 11:16:05 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Newbie - hello & question > >  > Beverley, > > Thinking and making choices are not bad things in and off themselves. Forming > ATTACHMENTS to thinking or choices is the disruptive thing. > > I think all the time, and make decisions all the time, but I know all of this >is > > illusory, without substance and hopefully without attachments. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Beverley Huish <beverley.huish@> wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > A little bit of managed and calm thinking here and there is a good thing, > > so >I > > > > stick by my phrase 'over-thinking'. Having just spent a week only >managing to > > > > > escape from over-thinking / all thinking on rare (and blissful) > > occasions, >but > > > > > also occasionally needing to be able to use my thinking mind, I feel >confident > > > > that, at least for me, thinking in moderation can be good and over-thinking >is > > > > the problem!!! > > > > Is making choices, per se, such a bad thing? It can get silly, like all > > over-thinking, I know. > > > > :-) > > > > Beverley. > > > >  > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, 18 May, 2011 8:48:09 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Newbie - hello & question > > > >  > > Beverely, > > > > Not 'over-thinking', just plain old thinking. And by thinking I mean > > creating > > > dualisms like self/other, good/bad, and of course making choices. > > > > "The Great Way is not difficult: > > Just don't pick and choose. > > Cut off all likes or dislikes > > And it is clear like space." > > > > Tseng Ts'an, Third Zen Patriarch > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Beverley Huish <beverley.huish@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > OK: life obscured by the illusion of material life, > > > over-thinking >and > > >modern > > > > > > > conditioning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, 18 May, 2011 2:39:57 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Newbie - hello & question > > > > > >  > > > Beverley, > > > > > > There is no 'life beyond material life'. Life is only right here and > > > right > >now. > > > > > > > > Any other ideas or concepts you have other than that are just illusions. > > > > > > This is zen. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Beverley Huish <beverley.huish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Mayka, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your welcome. :-)ÃÆ'‚ I'm in South Wales, >about 15 miles > > >from > > > > > Cardiff. > > > > > > > > It's interesting to know that you can do a study in that at university, >but > > > > > > > that's not for me.ÃÆ'‚ I'm trying to find my place > > > > within >life / > > >beyond > > > > >material > > > > > > > > > > life.ÃÆ'‚ I don't believe in God, in the way that >Christians believe > > >in God > > > > >(a > > > > > > >guy > > > > > > > > on a throne looking down at us crossly from heaven), but I have come to > > >believe > > > > > > > > > > > that the way I percieve the Universe and the Earth loosely translates >into > > > > > > seeing them as gods, or deities. > > > > > > > > I 'discovered' Thich Nhat Hanh last week(! ;-) )ÃÆ'‚ and >want to find > > >out more > > > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > the Community of Interbeing and probably join it.ÃÆ'‚ >I've sent off a > > >couple > > > > >of > > > > > > > emails about it and am waiting for replies. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Beverley. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011 12:40:34 > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Newbie - hello & question > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Hello Beverly: > > > > Just wanted to welcome you to the group. There is a Career University > >Studies > > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > comparative religions.ÃÆ'‚ There was someone from the > > > > USA >doing that > > >here at > > > > > > > > Edinburgh Universty.ÃÆ'‚ Saying this in case you may be >interested in > > > > >connection > > > > > > > > > > with your post and question you ask.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > And as for me I'd like to intruce myself to you as >Mayka.ÃÆ'‚ My > > >background > > > > >in in > > > > > > > > > > > zen buddhism in the Thich Nhat Hanh Tradition since >1997.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > Have to warn you that due to circunstancesÃÆ'‚ I have >evolved in a > > >very > > > > >personal > > > > > > > > > > way that may differ from what is the TNH tradition.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > In addition I'd like to let you know that I don't pay much attention to >the > > > > > > >form > > > > > > > > of any spiritual tradition.ÃÆ'‚ Experience of life has >taught me to > > >trust > > > > >only > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > heart and since you are a believer of God, let's say I only believe in >what > > > > > > > connects me with the universal, with the heart of God, with the > >Chaos.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > That connection allows me just to flow with the ocean of >life,ÃÆ'‚ and > > >the > > > > >chaos > > > > > > > > > > too! > > > > Warm welcome again. > > > > Mayka > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 16/5/11, Beverley Huish <beverley.huish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Beverley Huish <beverley.huish@> > > > > >Subject: [Zen] Newbie - hello & question > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > >Date: Monday, 16 May, 2011, 16:38 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >Hi, > > > > >ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >I'm a newbie in this group, and to Buddhism.ÃÆ'‚ I >sincerely don't > > >want to > > > > >upset > > > > > > > > > > > >anyone or start an argument.ÃÆ'‚ I want to join in > > > > >this >discussion, > > >and this > > > > >has > > > > > > > > > > > >cropped up so I'm asking the question. > > > > >ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >I told a friend today that I feel Buddhism is for me, and I'm looking >into > > > > > > >Zen.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > >My friend replied that Tibetan Buddhism isÃÆ'‚ a more >spiritual type > > >of > > > > >Buddhism > > > > > > > > > > >because they believe in God.ÃÆ'‚ Having looked into >various types of > > > > > > >Buddhism,ÃÆ'‚ heÃÆ'‚ believes that the >Buddha communicated higher > > >information, > > > > > > > > >including > > > > > > > > >the existence of God,ÃÆ'‚ to Tibetan Buddhists because >they were more > > > > >spiritually > > > > > > > > > > > >evolved at that point - Tibetan Buddhists claim this is the case and > > > > >my > > >friend > > > > > > > > > > > >agrees with them, he says.ÃÆ'‚ My response was to say >that different > > >things > > > > > > > >appeal > > > > > > > > >to different people and I don't think it's a matter of one being more > > > > >'spiritual' or more 'true' than another.ÃÆ'‚ (I really >don't care > > >what > > > > > > >mightÃÆ'‚ considered 'higher' or more 'spiritual' - at >the moment that > > >is > > > > > >irrelevant > > > > > > > > >to me.ÃÆ'‚ However, it did seem a kind of un-Buddhist >thing to claim > > >that > > > > > >oneself > > > > > > > > >is better than another person?ÃÆ'‚ My friend is not a >Buddhist.) > > > > >ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >What do other people think? > > > > >ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >Thank you. :-) > > > > >ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >Beverley. > > > > > > > > > >
