JM, I was wrong. You should not run away from Bill. His big stick is kindheartedly designed to awaken you. Anthony
--- On Fri, 8/7/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] What is dharma? To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 8 July, 2011, 12:15 AM Hello Anthony, Sorry that I managed to confuse you again. Let me confuse you some more... If you read the Buddhist sutras in Chinese, you will find conflicting statements all over.. 一心生萬法， 無住而生心，不可起心動念， etc. etc. are they the same or different. :-) The Chan that I have witnessed is not a philosophy or a science. It is a spiritual awakening. It contains koans and contradictions for the sole purpose to demolish our thinking process.. I am sort of glad that I have confused you. :-) Please do not try to "understand" or "interpret" or "translate" my words. All you have to do is to sit down, put down your thinking cap, then you will experience -- I mean spiritually. Yet, you may experience differently from mine. This is okay. None of our journeys are the same. We all are hindered by our karma somehow. Okay? Have a nice day. JM Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation... http://www.chan-meditation.org Chan in everyday life... http://www.chanliving.org To be enlightened in this life... http://www.heartchan.org To save our world... http://www.universal-oneness.org On 7/6/2011 3:03 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: JMJM, You say, ' we often did not realize these descriptions are ...from our conscious mind and not from our heart.' What is 'mind'? and what is 'heart'? How do you translate 'mind' and 'heart' into Chinese? As I told you, after searching into dictionaries and sutras, I can only find out that both words are represented by the same character 'xin'. So are you saying that we don't realize that the descriptions are from our conscious 'xin', not from our 'xin'? You also say, ' dharma is nothing but the universal law, also called "cause and effect", or simply just karma.' You better run the heck from Bill. He is brandishing his big stick against you. Anthony --- On Thu, 7/7/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] What is dharma? To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Thursday, 7 July, 2011, 12:01 AM Good morning to All, Most of us begin by following what was taught by our teacher and the sutra. Diamond sutra stated, "Dharma dharma contains no dharma. No dharma is also dharma." Some interpret this to mean, "Dharma exists at every moment. Dharma is everyday life. Dharma is eat, sleep, walk..." Yet, we often did not realize these descriptions are mere the "form of dharma" and the "rationalization of dharma" from our conscious mind and not from our heart. Yes, dharma indeed exists at every moment, but the dharma taught was beyond the visible and into the essence of all forms manifested. The dharma taught by Buddha and the sutra is not the visible "manifestations" of the dharma. When we are in sync with the transmission from the Heart of Buddha, which is the Heart of the Universe, or the essence or nature of the universe, or the characteristics of the universe, we will "realize" dharma is nothing but the universal law, also called "cause and effect", or simply just karma. Just for your reference. JMJM Head Teacher Order of Chan -- Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation... http://www.chan-meditation.org Chan in everyday life... http://www.chanliving.org To be enlightened in this life... http://www.heartchan.org To save our world... http://www.universal-oneness.org
