Following this thread so far I'd like to say that Bill first post made an interesting insightful observation. As a contrarst of statement would like to share that , my, resting in peace, father left the resident town he was living in Spain and went to the mountain on his own after years of experiencing how polluted to the spirit was to live amongst human beings. He was not a buddhist, christian and had not much empathy for any religious people. Yet he reached to similar conclusions as the elders in the movie as far as the heart concerns. Mayka
--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Re: zen fable To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, 2 August, 2011, 3:00 Zendervish, Persuasive speech which appeals to emotion is called 'rhetoric'. I don't think my response below was so much rhetorical as sarcastic. However you want to classify it I was using my speech (writing in this case) to point out the fundamental error in the message of this Zen Fable (which I didn't find so much to be a ZEN fable as a BUDDHIST fable). Zen teaching does not suggest you have to remove and isolate yourself from the world. Maybe Buddhism does. Zen practice gives you the ability to integrate yourself seamlessly INTO the world so there is no separation. No world, no you, Just THIS! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@...> wrote: > > Dear Bill > > The display of sympathy is an interesting human emotion, also apparently a > slippery slope when used to make a point through your own agenda. > > best wishes > > zendervish > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Poor Haejin has been mislead by his elders. He's been told that the 'world' > > is something different and apart from him, that he was once part of it but > > now is spearate. Just has he has been told his tooth, once pulled from his > > mouth, is now something apart and separate. > > > > Perhaps one day Haejin will be able to travel down the mountain and > > discover that the 'world' down there is not different than the 'world' up > > where he now lives. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVL2M_G6lm4 > > > > > >
