Both long and well-stated, in my opinion...Bill!
--- In [email protected], 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris, I am bit envious that you actually took time to write such
> long paragraphs... :-)
>
> On 1/27/2012 9:27 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, January 26, 2012, rewrisk <rewrisk@...
> > <mailto:rewrisk@...>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
> > Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Ok. I do not see any questions. As I said in the other mail,I don't
> > like
> > >> the idea of control.
> > > Then you need to learn to see it in another light.
> >
> > To elaborate on "who controls what?":
> >
> > Self-control is stupid because there is no self to control or to do
> > the controlling. Zen is about stopping things, not adding new layers
> > of control. When you feel hunger just as hunger, you don't need to
> > deny yourself. Just eat when hungry, cry when sad, move when sore,
> > sleep when tired. What "I" am is just a distraction, as well as
> > ultimately not true. There is no line where Chris ends and rewrisk
> > begins.
> >
> > To tread upon a path of self control gives rise to endless
> > intellectual debates, and most often some real resentment. The way to
> > seize life is to stop turning away - life is all around, full of
> > opportunity and richness. I am not advocating do "whatever I want" -
> > there is no I, the wants are just are foolish. When all that crap is
> > stopped, then its not an endless intellectual debate, and endless
> > balancing of your good against another's good. It is just eating,
> > sharing food as needed. The discipline is not controlling you "self"
> > but laughing at what you thought was your self, and turning back to
> > life, whether it be a feast or a chance to work or to learn, it's all
> > one, no worry.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Also, I am not sure how you can say that "others" are different
> > from "me"
> > >> and write of Satori.
> > > Because your understanding of Zen is mostly based on what you
> > understand from reading the accounts of others. The spirit of zen is
> > very attractive because it is pure. The exotic ideas emboddied in the
> > awareness of those who have woken themselves and bandied about in zen
> > literature is intoxicating to the mind.
> >
> > My sentence was more along the lines of "if your Satori leaves you
> > with self and others seeming to be real, you may keep that for
> > yourself, no thanks, that's not the zen I know"
> >
> > > It is only what you really know that matters.
> >
> > I agree. Knowing not in just some region of the brain but so
> > thoroughly that the cells don't jump when the current moment is
> > different from what the thoughts expected. My cells still jump at
> > certain moments. Sometimes, I notice and can resume living outside of
> > those thought expectations.
> >
> > > As you say life is better when you loose yourself in the moment.
> > > But to truly loose yourself there are things you must do to prepare
> > for it.
> > > Humility will enable you to cope.
> > > Self control will garner your will so that you can acheive it.
> > > Understanding and control of your mind will enable you to stabilize
> > yourself, to regain your balance after you have acheived it and will
> > protect you from insanity.
> > >
> > > This is essential;
> > > You must need it.
> > > Your need for enlightenment must consume all other needs. This is
> > the only truly essential thing to acheiving a powerfull spiritual
> > insight or Satori.
> > > Humility, self control, self awareness these things protect you,
> > enable you to cope with enlightenment.
> >
> > I am more interested in an ordinary life - one I am aware of.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > --Chris
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --Chris
> > chris@... <mailto:chris@...>
> > +1-301-270-6524
> >
> >
>
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