Myself, I do not feel that it is a matter of salvation. The matter, is the "great matter of birth and death." One of my favorite authors, Stephen Batchelor, in his book -Alone with others- says that the "aim" is for "the optimum mode of being." To me what this says is, that the aim of life would be living in awareness, as you grow and age through the years, hopefully you will become wiser. I recently had Dokusan with one of my teachers, and she said that Zen practice and enlightenment is kind of like in those old cartoons, when someone is about to receive a gift and they are told NOT to look. In the cartoons, we always see them peeking with one eye at the gift before it is given to them. So, I have been practicing since 2006, I have never had an "awakening experience," and that is fine with me. Zazen has taught me many things, and I know not to "peek," or in other words, to conceptualize what I think enlightenment is and then strive for it. Rather, I just live my daily life, always, constantly coming back to direct experience.
--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > What should we do to be saved? ;-) > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: > > > > When you were a child you heard the word and knew meaning. > > But the mind is lazy, conservation of energy instinctive. > > Now you have a dictionary for a mind. > > Now knowing the meaning of words you hear nothing. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
