On 4/6/2012 12:22 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
> I agree that all forms are empty information but they are all subject to
> logical computational laws which are themselves also forms.
Thus such a statement of emptiness being "subject to" emptiness is
redundant and useless.
The "laws" you speak of, being nothing but added forms, are not subect
to anything, but rather are subjects of some fantasy maintained by a
conceptual entity called "self".
> I think your problem is...
You assume there is a problem, as I was pointing to in the earlier email.
> not distinguishing between the simulations of organisms like humans of the
> logic of reality with the intrinsic logic of reality itself which humans only
> approximate at best.
Your expressed position of distinguishing this, assuming some separation
and valuing various aspects while devaluing others, creates the belief
there is a problem in our natural state/normal functioning.
> The world all beings live in is completely a simulation of reality in their
> minds.
I understand what you are alluding to here, our being limited to our
senses, but to extend that and create a belief in ideas of "in" or
"out" of mind - or of real vs unreal - only sustains the illusion.
> All that simulation shares with the intrinsic logic of reality is an
> approximate correspondence in computational logical structure. Some
> simulations approximate more accurately than others, but the intrinsic logic
> of reality is the ultimate source...
"Is that so?"
Structure, source, correspondence... all is Mind (in Zen traditional
teaching lingo anyway). There are countess ways to express "The Grand
Obviousness" - aka 'Suchness'. None capture this, none escape this.
K
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