Ed Well, as we know, there really is nothing to say, but we all go on saying it in one way or another . . . and well, that is the Catch 22, the fly in the ointment, the sticky mess, the live we life, the love we leave, and the long and the short of it . . .
It is likely I will see you here tomorrow . . . at 20 when I read a story about a zen monk picking herbs in the mountains, you know cloud hidden whereabouts unknown, I sensed it as a great metaphysical truth of simplicity and insight, a marker on the way. At 57 when reading the same thing I am wondering if those word could have meant that the monk was looking for herbs to sooth his stomach or get a little buzz or heal a cut. Both could be used to eepoint out nonsense. And of course we need nonsense. As an exercise, something teachers seem to never tire of, truly . . . for anyone here . . . what is the reaction one has when you read a post that seems critical of the gems of wisdom that pours forth from your own shining enlightened brilliant insightful but seemingly (for most of us) fragile mind? What happens in those moments, like this one shall we say, when you read, process, then respond . . . how automatic is this? Instead of citing a source of authority for this littel exercise with lofty name dropping, let's just say this was provided by some shit kicker from Podunk U. zendervish --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > > We say in the West: One size does not fit all, or as the Japanese say, > 'case by case'. > > Zen Masters should thank the Buddha that their disciples have faith in > them and hang on to every unintelligible nonsense statement of theirs as > an enlightening koan. > > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > flexibility ... for some, none for others > > zendervish > > > > --- In [email protected] > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=4r0aJ5cZTuyf_P2jnqQ\ > 0HDpKSAd9IQ6DZqdrbfgddUQ-5lI-4kC3e9TgJq8F6fRSarnJbdFxpYpkBxxaOSOBhA> , > "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > It is like the monk who was given koans and the master mocked his > > studies, while with other monks, he encouraged their studies. > > > > What do you learn from the zen master's action? > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=4r0aJ5cZTuyf_P2jnqQ\ > 0HDpKSAd9IQ6DZqdrbfgddUQ-5lI-4kC3e9TgJq8F6fRSarnJbdFxpYpkBxxaOSOBhA> , > "salik888" novelidea8@ wrote: > > > > > > > > there is no way to answer your question since your question is not > > really a question but an assertion in the form of a question. So it is > > yes and no. > > > > > > > > We could have dialogue in terms of Buddhism perhaps -- Zen and > Amida > > Bubbhism, their respective religious natures . . . > > > > > > > > but well, some think Zen is this or that or what have you . . . > > within that context there is nothing to say. > > > > > > > > It is like the monk who was given koans and the master mocked his > > studies, while with other monks, he encouraged their studies. > > > > > > > > gasho > > > > > > > > zendervish > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
