The idea of heaven and hell is just the opposite of nonduality. Only Bill's 'just this' represents it well. However, it is boring. I hope he comes up with a story of how he tames the devil and makes friends with angels using the 'just this'. Take a koan for example. A woman asked her daughter to burn down a temple, because the monk there was not moved at all when the daughter hugged him. It is more fun to read koans like that. Anthony
________________________________ From: mike brown <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 23 July 2012, 23:35 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Time ED, He might just have easily asked, "Neither thinking right or wrong, nor good or evil - What is your Original Face before Abraham was born?" The only problem I have with Jesus' alledged Biblcal utterances, and any perceived recognition of non-duality, are that he often talks of his Father in relation to himself. He does say, however, that he and his father are one.. Mike ________________________________ From: ED <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 23 July 2012, 15:33 Subject: [Zen] Re: Time Does Jesus' statement signify that he was in the non-dual state when uttering it? --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" - > John 8:58
