Chris: I am a seeker and am stuck with the idea that I must "do something". I think that people who can give up that compulsion, that obsession, and surrender themselves to someone percieved as "other", someone who knows the way may not be all that wrong. There is something in our makeup that makes us want to do it all by ourselves. To paraphrase Tony Soprano's mother "it's all a big nothing and in the end we all die alone." Bill
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it! ________________________________ From: Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, August 26, 2012 3:05:02 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Hello If it could work to have some outside authority tell me the truth, I would totally sign up for that. Being responsible for not deceiving myself, for not having a fixed position of safety, is harder than just being taken care of. I can totally relate to why people seek shortcuts; though reality offers none, I know how easy deceiving oneself is. As far as the personhood thing, maybe seeing deeply into what it means for us to be a person also changes the idea that a phrase like "personal God" points to. That's been my experience at least as a practicing Christian and a practicing zen student. On Aug 26, 2012 12:30 PM, "Glenn Rogers" <[email protected]> wrote: Are there any Gnostic Christians still around? > >In my Shangha searching, I have found many Buddhists who pray/chant to Buddah, >and they seem to view him as a god, rather than their own nature. > >Why would people be more interested in being told what to believe, as opposed >to >exploring Truth for themselves? > >Glenn > >--- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote: >> >> On 8/25/2012 1:58 PM, Glenn Rogers wrote: >> > Christian teaching that God is a "person" doesn't click with me. >> >> >> >> Gnostic Christians, and many others, would agree with this. >> >> How many Buddhists pray/chant to Buddha? >> >> Superficial/literal "teachings" are perversions peddled to the masses. >> Tabloid headlines blaring from newsstands called temples and churches. >> This is all most are interested in, so they largely miss the meaning >> behind the message, fail to make it their own realization. >> >> This is not a problem. Both Christ and Buddha are said to have spoken of >> this. No one knows. ;) >> >> KG >> > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are >reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
