ED, Thanks!
As you can see there are many different definitions of 'illusion'. I shy away from those that stress 'false' and lean towards those that stress 'distorted'. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > Bill! - > > 'illusion' appears to be an acceptable label in zen. > > As, google[zen and illusion] gives 6.6 million results. > > Next, define what one means by 'illusion'. > > -- ED > > PS1: Is 'conception' a suitable replacement for 'illusion'? > > PS2: Below are a variety of meanings for 'illusion' > > > > <http://www.google.com/search?q=illusion&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1280&bih=667&prm\ > d=imvns&tbas=0&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CCoQuAs> Dictionary > Search Results > il·lu·sion > nounâ/iËloÍoZHÉn/â > illusions, plural > > 1. A false idea or belief > * - he had no illusions about the trouble she was in > > > * A deceptive appearance or impression > * - the illusion of family togetherness > * - the tension between illusion and reality > > > * A thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted > by the senses > * - Zollner's illusion makes parallel lines seem to diverge by > placing them on a zigzag-striped background > > > > Web definitions > * an erroneous mental representation > > * something many people believe that is false; "they have the > illusion that I am very wealthy" > > * delusion: the act of deluding; deception by creating illusory ideas > > * magic trick: an illusory feat; considered magical by naive > observers > wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webw\ > n%3Fs%3Dillusion&rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CDMQngkwAQ&q=\ > illusion&usg=AFQjCNEsQHK59ChYovHpQHSOzHq0eyJihg> > > * (illusional) marked by or producing illusion; "illusionary stage > effects" > wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webw\ > n%3Fs%3Dillusional&rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CDUQngkwAQ&\ > q=illusion&usg=AFQjCNHZ3gkERC5YBfEdy2_NAnCbXzXygg> > > * (illusory) illusive: based on or having the nature of an illusion; > "illusive hopes of finding a better job"; "Secret activities offer > presidents the alluring but often illusory promise that they can achieve > foreign policy goals without the bothersome debate and open decision > that are staples of ... > wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webw\ > n%3Fs%3Dillusory&rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CDcQngkwAQ&q=\ > illusion&usg=AFQjCNFND4IibFwyUBj-HCASl6GAVke-Tw> > > * An illusion is a distortion of the senses, revealing how the brain > normally organizes and interprets sensory stimulation. While illusions > distort reality, they are generally shared by most people. ... > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion&rct\ > =j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CDkQngkwAQ&q=illusion&usg=AFQjCNH\ > OEKJEuFILdEw2osDjHDHmmHIBPA> > > > * Anything that seems to be something that it is not; A > misapprehension; a belief in something that is in fact not true; A > magician's trick; The fact of being an illusion (in any of the above > senses) > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/illusion > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/illusion&rc\ > t=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CEUQngkwAQ&q=illusion&usg=AFQjCN\ > EYCLXk8PuHfqRXGf0WkygVLeoyUg> > > * (illusory) Resulting from an illusion; deceptive, imaginary, unreal > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/illusory > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/illusory&rc\ > t=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CEcQngkwAQ&q=illusion&usg=AFQjCN\ > F_-DgMuywVb0hlonAOSHZqz1s_1g> > > * (Illusions) Perceptions created in the visual system and brain that > differ from the "objective" environment as measured by physical > instruments. > www.google-docs.com/post/143.html > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.google-docs.com/post/143.html&\ > rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CEkQngkwAQ&q=illusion&usg=AFQj\ > CNHa7e_fmAr-k6gDDgFt2pEgDox7Tw> > > * (illusions) a false perception; the mistaking of something for what > is not. > www.uihealthcare.com/depts/uibehavioralhealth/patiented/glossa > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.uihealthcare.com/depts/uibehav\ > ioralhealth/patiented/glossary.html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg\ > &ved=0CEsQngkwAQ&q=illusion&usg=AFQjCNGsv5cy8SpdFS-Jgo90prjTB41tJw> > > * Illusions occur when a person sees something that is real but > misinterprets what it is. For examples, heat waves on the desert floor > can look like waves of water. > www.mdvu.org/glossary/ > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.mdvu.org/glossary/&rct=j&sa=X&\ > ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CE0QngkwAQ&q=illusion&usg=AFQjCNH6n2mYSwF\ > fxFfdHzwGoVWglut7Fg> > > * A delusional perception between what is perceived and what is > reality. > www.mysticalblaze.com/GlossaryParanormal.htm > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.mysticalblaze.com/GlossaryPara\ > normal.htm&rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CE8QngkwAQ&q=illusi\ > on&usg=AFQjCNH1yTx5xhUkF0iz-wgNRT9ccCqSAw> > > * 1. The distortion of mental matter by a mind that perceives reality > incompletely. 2. An incomplete or distorted perception of the archetypal > realm of Ideas. See also: Glamour, Maya. > www.disciplelight.com/glossary > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.disciplelight.com/glossary&rct\ > =j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CFEQngkwAQ&q=illusion&usg=AFQjCNF\ > YQgVMMmUfBcpoYdx8pgtui0VsZw> > > > * A misleading image presented to the vision. > english-zone.com/vocab/confusing01.html > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://english-zone.com/vocab/confusing01\ > .html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CFUQngkwAQ&q=illusion&us\ > g=AFQjCNFBP1ph-h2kEYv38Rhka0llKKZd6Q> > > * something that appears to be what it is not, and often intended so > to deceive. > www.shimer.edu/greatbooks_greatart/Glossary.cfm > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.shimer.edu/greatbooks_greatart\ > /Glossary.cfm&rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CFcQngkwAQ&q=ill\ > usion&usg=AFQjCNGL8iSnAa0Df3espcPqjeFyQ48Evg> > > * perceptual experiences, through the senses, that are not true > representations of the physical event. > www.tuition.com.hk/psychology/i.htm > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.tuition.com.hk/psychology/i.ht\ > m&rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CFkQngkwAQ&q=illusion&usg=AF\ > QjCNGGYV9rFitpgMcwF5HJ6H0L0UV0KQ> > > * A perception, as of visual stimuli, that represents what is > perceived in a way different from the way it is in reality. Elizabeth > has the illusion that Zeely is a Watutsi queen. See the excerpts from > Hamilton's article on "Illusion and Reality." > theliterarylink.com/definitions.html > <http://www.google.com/url?url=http://theliterarylink.com/definitions.ht\ > ml&rct=j&sa=X&ei=ScxMUKWxMYHhiALLyIHYDg&ved=0CFsQngkwAQ&q=illusion&usg=A\ > FQjCNEgaYAzYYwAZAWLoOcIvzF15FVE5w> > > * modified or wrong interpretation of the outer > > > > --- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: > > > > > To Anyone Who Cares, > > > > > > After much reflection and a good round of my thrice-weekly, > > > regularly-scheduled 18-hole kinhin I've decided to quit using the > term > > > 'illusion'. It is the term I was personally taught and have seen > > > written in countless books on zen and that I myself have used for > over > > > 40 years, but it seems to conjure up some kind of bad mojo for most > of > > > you. I get the feeling that you think if your are creating > 'illusions' > > > that you're doing something wrong or bad, and that's is definitely > not > > > what I want to project. > > > > > > So...I'm now going to use the term 'model' or 'logical model' or > maybe > > > 'rational model' (I haven't decided which yet). I'm looking for > > > something that will more palatable to the majority here that seem to > > > have a bad reaction to the term 'illusion'. > > > > > > But the meaning I intend to communicate will still be the > same...Bill! > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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