Bill!, Don't mention it. I have a lot more allies. Anthony
________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 1 October 2012, 8:15 Subject: [Zen] Re: attachments: what about the promised land? Merle, There you go again, personalizing and inferring that because I see the Tibetan people are suffering because of their attachments that I'm 'angry'. Would you say Buddha 'angrily' declared attachments lead to suffering? I don't think you would. I'm not 'angry' with Tibetans. I'm not even angry with the Dalai Lama, just disappointed. And yes the Jews also have attachments that are causing suffering. What's that got to do with Tibet? Do the Jewish attachments make the Tibetan attachments okay? Now you're beginning to sound like Anthony. He's always pointing out the mote in the other guy's eye as justification for the large plank in his own. ...Bill! --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  you certainly are so angry about tibetans  attachments..let's get > real..what about the jews and the promised land, eh?...merle > >  > Merle, > > I think I explained most of this in my last post. I'm not buying the image > created by the Western media that the Dalai Lama is such a saint. I would buy > reports that he is a Lama, not a Buddhist; and that he is encouraging his > people to cling onto their attachments of culture, language and nation. > > ...Bill! > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > >  what are you buying then bill!? > >  what's your idea then? > >  merle > > > > > >  > > Merle! > > > > I'm not buying the opining. > > > > I'm not buying the image the Western media presents that the Dalai Lama is > > some big time Buddhist teacher who has been driven out of Tibet by the big > > bad commie-atheist Chinese government for leading a political campaign > > against their efforts of cultural cleansing. > > > > Capeesh? > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >  buying what...please clarify...merle > > > > > > > > >  > > > Kris, > > > > > > It is the media that's doing the opining. I'm just not buying it. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: > > > > > > > > "Great Buddhist""? Good leader"? > > > > > > > > Such useless idealized things you opine, as you mistake your desires > > > > for > > > > others failings! > > > > > > > > All fanatics hate other brands of fanatics, but there is only one. All > > > > delusion is self-delusion. To spin it is to spin yourself. Same. > > > > > > > > KG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/2012 5:37 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > Hey! I'm not making a big deal about the Dalai Lama. I'm just not > > > > > buying into the popular opinion that's he's such a great Buddhist and > > > > > [was] a good political leader for Tibet. > > > > > > > > > > That's all. I don't hate him or find him disgusting. I just don't > > > > > find > > > > > him appealing. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ bill!..i do not know why you find the dalai lama so > > > > > > disgusting,... > > > > > why don't you have a go at the bloke who runs israel..or is that > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ no > > > > > go zone..merle > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > You creep me out sometimes! > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said I 'hated' the Dalai Lama. I dislike his image, and > > > > > > I've > > > > > even softened that somewhat recently by saying I dislike the Western > > > > > media's portrayal of his image, especially when he had two images - > > > > > one as a 'Buddhist' spiritual leader and one as a nationalistic > > > > > political leader. This is what I meant when I echoed your phraseology > > > > > that he hand not 'conquered' me. And also just recently (6 mos ago?) > > > > > I > > > > > know the Dalai Lama has relinquished his role as the political leader > > > > > of Tibet so that removes another Lamai-esque pea from under my > > > > > mattress. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know Tim Johnson, have never read his book and don't intend > > > > > to. I was commenting on YOUR short remarks about his book. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never been to China outside of two major airports. I have > > > > > never been to Tibet. I have never met the Dalai Lama. What's that got > > > > > to do with anything? Are you suggesting that I shouldn't be able to > > > > > have an opinion on anything or anyone that I have not researched > > > > > first-hand or met myself? > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said above, all my opinions are based on Western media (and > > > > > maybe some other cultures') reports - as I'm sure most of yours are > > > > > also. What's the problem with that? > > > > > > > > > > > > I already posted 5 or 6 links of my 'evidence'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know any Tibetans. I know some Chinese citizens and many US > > > > > citizens of Chinese heritage, and many Thais of Chinese heritage. > > > > > > > > > > > > There! I've answered or addressed all your charges but still don't > > > > > know what all this has to do with my negative opinions concerning the > > > > > Dalai Lama. > > > > > > > > > > > > Creepy! > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Good luck with the python management. We get those from time > > > > > > to > > > > > time, but more often large, non-venomous, non-constrictor and the > > > > > occasional cobra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ',ÃÆ'‚ biL...you freak me out...your hatred for the > > > > > > > dalai lama... > > > > > it's disgusting... do you know tim johnson the author? no..have you > > > > > been to china ..no..have you been to tibet..no..have you met the > > > > > dalai > > > > > lama..no...where is your evidence?...do you know any tibetans..no.. > > > > > chinese no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..as i type my barry calls me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .yikes there is a diamond python on the balcony..jesus..the dogs > > > > > they are at risk... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ',ÃÆ'‚ you do not need conquering bilL..you need to > > > > > > > open your mind, > > > > > heart and soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and listen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ',ÃÆ'‚ merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ',ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That book probably has documented part of why the Western image > > > > > > > of > > > > > the Dalai Lama 'creeps me out'. (I'm beginning to really like that > > > > > phrase - thanks Chris). I may present an inverse perspective of mine > > > > > because he hasn't 'conquered' me yet, and if fact it's what I > > > > > perceive > > > > > as his marketing-type efforts to 'conquer' me that I object to. I do > > > > > agree that even with all the nationalistic tactics, some which I > > > > > considered ill-conceived and very tragic, he hasn't seemed to have > > > > > swayed China. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bedtime reading for me..." how the dalai lama conquered the > > > > > world but lost the battle with china.".." tragedy in crimson"...tim > > > > > johnson > > > > > > > > i'm preparing for a "battle " > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ',ÃÆ'‚ merle > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ',ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Merle > > > > > > > > www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
