yea bill!..tis true!..merle Edgar, I know I'm beating a dead horse but...
Science is just yet another faith-based explanation of reality. Some religions have faith in God or gods, some in Nature and some in logic. Some explanations are suited for some purposes and some for others. An example: If you want to send a rocket to the moon I'd go with science, not prayers. However, Christianity is better for comforting an grieving mother who's child has been stillborn (he's with Jesus now), than science (he was stillborn because the umbilical cord wrapped around his neck and strangled him). ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Joe, > > I'm in general agreement with this view. Religious explanations of reality > were in ancient times the best science available. > > Problem is that now they have long been falsified by science continued belief > in them amounts to a very dangerous delusion... > > Edgar > > > > > On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Joe wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Religion is a yoke, and that's what the word means. > > > > It's meant to yoke us to the world, of love, Nature, and creatures. > > > > It's all metaphor, and is meant to be rich, and to open us. It's a Yoga. > > > > It's a series of lenses, developed anciently through to the present form we > > call Science. Science is different in structure and form from other > > religions, but not different in its increasing appreciation in us. Science, > > too, is a Yoga, see. > > > > Science is about Nature, not about Science. > > > > People have gotten and do get in trouble with religion when they make it > > literal or take it literally and forget that it is metaphor. Religionists > > -- keepers of religion -- have done this too. > > > > Scientists get in trouble this way when they take MODELS literally, and > > forget Nature. > > > > Awakening shatters all the hardened and cured Epoxy of models, and the > > concretized metaphors. > > > > The greatest block to realization -- and, indeed, the factor that makes > > realization NECESSARY at all -- is, instead, human "identification with > > ego". > > > > The block is not Religion, Edgar; it is faith in separate personhood. That > > faith is developed in secular as well as religious societies. > > > > Granted, there's no accounting (by me) of how religion may have affected > > *you* in your walk. Even if it was good for you, I suspect that you view > > evidence from the larger world and calculate that the effect of religion on > > environment and on people has been overall-negative. > > > > I personally know it goes negative when taken or used literally, not as > > rich fertile poetic metaphor. > > > > --Joe > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Loving everyone and the planet and all its creatures and studying science > > > rather than religion... > > > > >
