Joe,

I REPLIED successfully this time.  I don't know why this doesn't work all the 
time.  Since it's intermittent I'd bet they're traffic related.  Yahoo! does 
have the warning that it will be doing maintenance on 18-Nov.  Maybe these 
intermittent problems will be solved then.

Anyway, the answer to your question is 'I do not create these graphics myself.  
I find most of them on Facebook.  I share the one's that I think would be 
particularly interesting to this group.

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> Siska, Bill!,
> 
> I found that I could not "Reply" to Siska's message nor to Bill!'s message, 
> either.
> 
> I got the following error when I tried to reply to Bill!'s mssg. via the 
> Website:
> 
> >Cannot retrieve message 33654 for Zen_Forum<
> 
> and for Siska's mssg. I got the same error, referring to his mssg. no.:
> 
> >Cannot retrieve message 33653 for Zen_Forum<
> 
> I *HAVE* had this difficulty before, at times, when trying to reply to 
> messages at the Website.  It's puzzling!
> 
> Siska, I'd say that "Mu" can be a practice.  It's usually given as the full 
> koan case, Case 1 of the Mumonkan (Gateless Gate); or, just as a hua-t'ou, 
> just the "Mu" itself.
> 
> A Chinese teacher would give "Wu".
> 
> Sometimes Vipassana teachers will recommend the practice of mindfulness.  And 
> it is precisely that: a practice.  It is an artifice which is meant to help a 
> practitioner to awaken.
> 
> When a practitioner awakens, there is no Mu, nor mindfulness.  These 
> artifices are gone, and cannot be grasped, nor is there any reason even to 
> pick them up.  Anyway, it's impossible.  ;-)
> 
> When one awakens, or experiences kai-wu, or emptiness, no-mind, the awakening 
> may last for a while, perhaps a few months.  Then, one may want to pick up Mu 
> again, or mindfulness again, as a practice.
> 
> This is as I see it, from the point of view of the Zen tradition and Zen 
> practice.  
> 
> There may be other terminology used in Vipassana circles that I am not 
> familiar with.  Or there may be an entirely different interpretation of 
> "mindfulness" in the Vipassana work.  What do you think?
> 
> Bill!, I think it's a great cartoon, succinct, "graphic", and "drawing" a 
> nice distinction.  I don't know where you get these things.  Do you make them 
> yourself on the computer?  Kudos!
> 
> --Joe
>




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