RAF,
To give you the "Zen" perspective on the matter you close with, trust me, there
is NO such person (neither the "they", nor "me").
> I am not manifesting what THEY believe is Zen, but view the Way I am working
> out for myself to be appropriate for me.
And yet, we practice. This is called daily life, daily practice.
--Joe
> R A Fonda <rafonda@...> wrote:
>
> On 12/11/2012 3:02 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > when I said 'sincere student' I meant a person who is sincerely
> > seeking relief from suffering.
>
> Thank you; I had wondered if that quotation about sincerity (in response
> to my query about what light some of these teachers had emitted) was a
> hint that it was a sign of insincerity to ask such questions. You note
> that I did not take any offense, if such were the case, but simply
> considered whether one who practices only for their own benefit, without
> interaction with teachers, sangha, or even other laypersons, /could/ be
> considered insincere.
>
> We seem to be in essential agreement, here:
>
> > The person seeking relief is the only one who can judge whether he/she
> > is really 'sincere' or not.
> and here as well:
> > Not just EVERYTHING is zen as some seem to want to believe. I'm not
> > saying that whatever others practice is wrong or ineffective, but I
> > will say from time to time that what they describe is not zen - IMO...
>
> As I put it:
>
> > Is this Zen? Who cares?! <
>
> meaning no disrespect to the tradition that I revere enough to follow
> for decades, but only saying, that I can ACCEPT, without agreement, the
> view that some might have that I am not manifesting what THEY believe is
> Zen, but view the Way I am working out for myself to be appropriate for me.
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