Edgar, Communism does not reward incompetence and sloth. It just removes individual rewards based on merit and replaces them with equal distribution of all wealth as common property. It encourages a holistic community.
Capitalism is fueled by greed and does base rewards on individual merit. It encourages competition which results in an uneven distribution of wealth and a stratified community. Socialism is actually my favorite because it also does not reward based on merit but distributes wealth/assets based on need. It also encourages a holistic community. Political systems are not as important to me but I do favor democracies over meritocracies. Your definition below sounds good, but who designs the educational system and judges whether the problems have been solved well - or not? (This is a rhetorical question. You really don't have to answer because unless it is done democratically I would have reservations about it.) ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > Not a good idea. The communist system in its ideal form perpetuates > dependence and failure because it rewards incompetence and sloth. > > The ideal economic system is a free market system, but that being said there > are no truly free market systems since they are all perverted by the super > rich who impose rules through the public officials they buy for their benefit > at the expense of lower level entrepreneurs. > > The only regulations constraining a free market system should be to ensure > safety of products sold, and to minimize environmental effects towards > sustainability. However many of the current regulations are designed to > maintain the advantage of large corporations and banks. > > That being said there should be some public support for those truly in need, > but only in a manner which does NOT perpetuate that need. > > The ideal political system is a meritocracy where officials gain appointments > as the result of rising through an educational system designed to train them > to solve actual real world problems they will encounter. That applies equally > to the ranks of civil servants as well as the leaders themselves. > > Democracy is a huge failure, because it elects not the best qualified to > solve real problems, but the best liars, bull shitters, and those most > willing to prostitute themselves to their corporate and banker masters. > > Edgar > > > > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:00 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Until we as a society can successfully establish a communistic economic > > system socialism is the best system we can strive for. Right now the best > > we can do is try to restrain and regulate our native capitalism with wealth > > redistribution tactics as are employed by our current form of Keynesian > > economics and continue to move it closer and closer to socialism. > > > > But maybe someday we can actually aspire to communism...we can only hope. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > Perhaps, but the belief in taking other people's property and > > > redistributing it without their consent is an even more egregious > > > attachment... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > The question itself speaks volumes. > > > > > > > >> Can one's belief in personal ownership be an attachment, a hindrance > > > >> to the mind's freedom? > > > > > > > > Well done! It is certainly on-topic, and is eloquent. > > > > > > > > I'm impressed by planning and decision-making that's guided by > > > > consideration for and appreciation of others' future stewardship. I > > > > think of the "Seven Generations" planning of actions taken by certain > > > > Native American tribal councils, the making of decisions with a concern > > > > and consideration for how planned actions, if executed, might effect > > > > even the seventh following generation of people and culture after the > > > > elders' actions. > > > > > > > > Such planning probably could not have taken into account the arrival of > > > > Europeans in America, and I don't know if the "Seven Generations" > > > > principle remains in play on Native Reservations to this day. > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > -> Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Can one's belief in personal ownership be an attachment, a hindrance > > > >> to the > > > >> mind's freedom? > > > >> > > > >> It looks to me like it is, but perhaps we shouldn't argue politics and > > > >> tax > > > >> policy here? > > > >> > > > >> Rather than share my partisan arguments, let me simply state that > > > >> reasonable people do disagree about these issues. Personally I am > > > >> grateful > > > >> to have been born into a society that believes in vaccination public > > > >> schools voting research moon missions and the like. the society finds > > > >> it > > > >> sensible to pay me for tasks which are enjoyable and allow me to learn > > > >> and > > > >> to master myself, and that seems fine. I didn't create the society nor > > > >> more than a bit of its wealth, so I don't feel like much more than a > > > >> temporary steward of the assets I control. > > > >> > > > >> I do know not everyone shares such a perspective, and there's no > > > >> profit in > > > >> arguing. I speak to offer the lurkers the data that the idea of > > > >> capitalism > > > >> without a fixed idea of a personal self can take many forms. > > > >> > > > >> Yours in praeteritio, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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