Suresh, Not quite...
If there is a 'watcher' then you've not got to 'pure consciousness' yet; that is if you and Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi are using that term to describe what I call 'Buddha Nature'. Buddha Nature is holistic and has no remnants of dualism. The experience of 'watcher' is a classic dualistic, subject/object experience involving the 'watcher' (subject) and 'that which is watched' - the mind? (object). Buddha Nature presents no subject/object or 'watcher'/mind dualistic set. Buddha Nature is Just THIS! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > Please note according to Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi, `I' is all. This > `I' he refers to pure consciousness. > > Consciousness in you is the watcher of the mind. Try to meditate over > it. Anger comes: who is watching? You know perfectly well that there > is anger; you know perfectly well that it is coming and growing, you > know perfectly well that soon you will be overwhelmed by it. And then > it is going, receding, disappearing, you know it is gone. Gone, gone, > gone, it is no more there. Who is watching? > > Love comes and goes. Misery comes, happiness comes, everything comes > and everything goes. Who is watching? The watcher remains. > > Only one thing in you is constant, and that is the watcher. Everything > changes, only the watcher abides. It is always there, even while you > are deeply asleep it is watching the dreams; even when there are no > dreams it is watching the deep sleep. > > When you are awake it is watching the world, when you are asleep it is > watching your inner world, but the watching continues. Not even for a > single moment does the watching stop. That is the eternal thing in > you. And it is one. > > This watcher in you is what referred as consciousness or `I' as > mentioned by Ramana Maharishi. This consciousness if compared to > things which you know, then it is `space'. Look at the space it is > everywhere in the universe it is same and one single thing, and it > contains many objects. > > So according to Ramana Maharishi, you are not the body like earth, you > are the space on which this earth moves. So can space has any > difference such as my space against your space, it is one indivisible > all over universe. > > So according to Ramana Maharishi the body of guru is just like you and > me or any other body, so it should be treated equal. Guru is not that > body, he is pure consciousness or space or this whole universe, which > you don't realize and try to bribe this guru body, which is a kind of > cheating you are doing for yourself. By shouting at your ignorance he > is trying to wake you to see he is not the body. > > Yesterday I had dream. I was on a ship, ship was close to a Port, I am > like one of the passenger or officer a 'body' was identified as `I', > and a captain on board doing difficult maneuver, and suddenly ship > capsized, all are shouting, but it happened to me that identification > with a body was no more there, I was sheer watching all happening from > the above. After some time I got up and shocked, then I realized this > is what truth is. The pure consciousness is what `I' is. The body is > small tool in the hands of consciousness, it can be without it. > > Best regards > Suresh > > > Consciousness in you is the watcher of the mind. Try to meditate over > it. Anger comes: who is watching? You know perfectly well that there > is anger; you know perfectly well that it is coming and growing, you > know perfectly well that soon you will be overwhelmed by it. And then > it is going, receding, disappearing, you know it is gone. Gone, gone, > gone, it is no more there. Who is watching? > > Love comes and goes. Misery comes, happiness comes, everything comes > and everything goes. Who is watching? The watcher remains. > > Only one thing in you is constant, and that is the watcher. Everything > changes, only the watcher abides. It is always there, even while you > are deeply asleep it is watching the dreams; even when there are no > dreams it is watching the deep sleep. > > When you are awake it is watching the world, when you are asleep it is > watching your inner world, but the watching continues. Not even for a > single moment does the watching stop. That is the eternal thing in > you. And it is one. > > This watcher in you is what referred as consciousness or `I' as > mentioned by Ramana Maharishi. This consciousness if compared to > things which you know, then it is `space'. Look at the space it is > everywhere in the universe it is same and one single thing, and it > contains many objects. > > So according to Ramana Maharishi, you are not the body like earth, you > are the space on which this earth moves. So can space has any > difference such as my space against your space, it is one indivisible > all over universe. > > So according to Ramana Maharishi the body of guru is just like you and > me or any other body, so it should be treated equal. Guru is not that > body, he is pure consciousness or space or this whole universe, which > you don't realize and try to bribe this guru body, which is a kind of > cheating you are doing for yourself. By shouting at your ignorance he > is trying to wake you to see he is not the body. > > Yesterday I had dream. I was on a ship, ship was close to a Port, I am > like one of the passenger or officer a 'body' was identified as `I', > and a captain on board doing difficult maneuver, and suddenly ship > capsized, all are shouting, but it happened to me that identification > with a body was no more there, I was sheer watching all happening from > the above. After some time I got up and shocked, then I realized this > is what truth is. The pure consciousness is what `I' is. The body is > small tool in the hands of consciousness, it can be without it. > > Best regards > Suresh > > > > -- > Thanks and best regards > J.Suresh > New No.3, Old No.7, > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, > Alwarpet, > Chennai - 600018 > Ph: 044 42030947 > Mobile: 91 9884071738 > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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