Merle,

Even the Peaceniks are not awakened... unless they are awakened.

And, Introvert... Extrovert... it makes no difference about "personality 
types", either.  Personality is the most pernicious and limiting illusion.

It all comes down to the "I", Merle.

If there is an "I", awakening is needed (because it is lacking; and you may 
quote, err-r, Me).

Our Zen practice, when it leads to awakening, is not "therapy".  It is a most 
radical business.  THE most radical (You'd love it).

It is killing the false mind and throwing away life.

Thence to regain everything that is Original.

It is the loss of all sophistication and the recouping of our full inheritance. 
 I can't recommend it enough, for rebels and happy misfits.  But don't say I 
didn't warn you.  Subhana can direct you most competently and civilly, I am 
sure; she is a diamond you have there.  And so are you.

--Joe

PS  Our Zen practice is not a sweetness-and-light affair.  It seems to suit 
best those who have a certain maturity, and those who may be dissatisfied in 
life by failures and by successes.  Such folk, like Shakyamuni Buddha, may feel 
they just need to wake up more fully.  Zen practice can promise a FULL waking 
up; and I can testify to the claims and promises.  I am not the best exemplar, 
but I never shut up about it, do I?  There must be something THERE, Merle.  ;-)

> Merle Lester  wrote:
> 
> whilst they meditate they are quiet and can do no evil deeds...
> the benefits are huge for the human race... 
> the question remains..
> how are you going to convince the very "fruity cases" that need quietening 
> down to practise meditation?...
> after all most of the time its preaching to the all ready converted...
>  the war mongers and super ego freaks are still loose creating chaos in this 
> world... 
> merle




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