Edgar,
Yes; I've made points. You?
--Joe
> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Nearly every point you make.
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Joe wrote:
>
> > Suresh,
> >
> > It's not important, but I want to mention that I disagree about "stupid
> > rituals". Not stupid.
> >
> > Rituals are simply a way of making visible the invisible.
> >
> > In the Zen tradition as it is practiced formally and in lineages (not as
> > Rajneesh carries it out), rituals are very important, as PRACTICE.
> > This/they include chanting, and certain respectful behavior, including
> > bowing and prostrations, which affect us physically.
> >
> > I myself tend nowadays not to practice in a particularly religious way, but
> > I understand from experience and can appreciate the importance and "place"
> > of ritual in the several religions I have practiced in.
> >
> > Those who don't appreciate religion usually will not appreciate ritual, and
> > I think that is natural.
> >
> > Unfortunately, religion requires Imagination.
> >
> > That's where a lot of people fall down, I think. They may consider
> > themselves "Realists", or something like that, and in so doing, immediately
> > limit themselves. That, too, is not the Zen way.
> >
> > If you don't go to a play, and consider all that play-acting "stupid",
> > well, YOU MISS THE WHOLE STORY, and YOU MISS ANY CATHARSIS POSSIBLE THROUGH
> > IT (see Aristotle on that last bit).
> >
> > Suresh, what are your views on the out-of-context tidbits you quote
> > voluminously?
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