tis not chattering that will get you there ...be attentive and alert daily walking and talking in the WAY...merle > > Bill, > > You believe that illusion, by your definition the world of forms that follows > logical rules, arises or exists only in the mind.
True. > This is incorrect because it assumes a dualism of mind versus an external > world. This dualism DOES NOT EXIST. False and True. False: I do not assume a dualism of mind versus an external world. I do assert that the mind creates dualism (illusion)in which there is a perception of an external world. True: This dualism does not exist. It's illusory. > Thus the world of forms CANNOT be said to exist only in the mind since the > mind itself is PART of that world of forms, just another construct in the > world of forms. False and True. False: The mind creates the world of forms. True: The concept of the mind (and the concept of the world of forms) is part of this world of forms - which is illusory. > The true picture is that the world of forms exists in the one UNITY > antecedent to the dualism of mind and not mind. Thus it MUST BE an intrinsic > part of reality. False. The world of forms is created by our rational mind. What we perceive as the world of forms is empty. > The world of forms are ripples in the formless sea of Buddha Nature, thus > they are PART of Buddha Nature, they manifest Buddha Nature. False: The world of forms is created by our rational mind. Buddha Nature is experience. > Zen is seeing the Buddha Nature IN the world of forms. It is not somehow > making the world of forms disappear as you erroneously imagine. False: Zen (as in first experiencing Buddha Nature) is halting the mind from creating the world of forms (illusions. Zen practice (as in integrating the realization of Buddha Nature into everyday life) is seeing the world of forms (illusions) as empty. > It is true that in meditation consciousness temporarily can turn attention > away from the forms. That is what you do in Zazen. But that is merely a state > of mind that helps one recognize the Buddha Nature beyond the forms. The > world of forms is always there ready to return as soon as you get up from > sitting.... True, with the caveat that after the first experience and continuing practice you see the world of forms as empty. > The trick is to bring that realization into daily life IN the world of forms > where one continues to realize the Buddha Nature one realized in zazen IN the > forms of the world in daily life.... True, again with the same caveat as above. > That is true Zen mind 24/7. This is the teaching of all the great > teachers...... True and False. True: The realization that the world of forms is illusory and empty is zen practice. False: The 'great teachers' did not teach what you have described above. ...and besides, since when were you the least bit interested in teachers? > Edgar False. I am Bill!
