yes bill!...harmony finally!..it's not me it's you who think i'm a suffering soul and joe believes i'm lost without this super dooper teacher of teachers..which is actually me me me me..teaching me...merle
Merle! You've surprised me! You've actually said something I totally agree with! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â tis not chattering that will get you there ...be attentive and alert daily > walking and talking in the WAY...merle > > > > Bill, > > > > You believe that illusion, by your definition the world of forms that > > follows logical rules, arises or exists only in the mind. > > True. > > > This is incorrect because it assumes a dualism of mind versus an external > > world. This dualism DOES NOT EXIST. > > False and True. False: I do not assume a dualism of mind versus an external > world. I do assert that the mind creates dualism (illusion)in which there is > a perception of an external world. True: This dualism does not exist. It's > illusory. > > > Thus the world of forms CANNOT be said to exist only in the mind since the > > mind itself is PART of that world of forms, just another construct in the > > world of forms. > > False and True. False: The mind creates the world of forms. True: The > concept of the mind (and the concept of the world of forms) is part of this > world of forms - which is illusory. > > > The true picture is that the world of forms exists in the one UNITY > > antecedent to the dualism of mind and not mind. Thus it MUST BE an > > intrinsic part of reality. > > False. The world of forms is created by our rational mind. What we perceive > as the world of forms is empty. > > > The world of forms are ripples in the formless sea of Buddha Nature, thus > > they are PART of Buddha Nature, they manifest Buddha Nature. > > False: The world of forms is created by our rational mind. Buddha Nature is > experience. > > > Zen is seeing the Buddha Nature IN the world of forms. It is not somehow > > making the world of forms disappear as you erroneously imagine. > > False: Zen (as in first experiencing Buddha Nature) is halting the mind from > creating the world of forms (illusions. Zen practice (as in integrating the > realization of Buddha Nature into everyday life) is seeing the world of forms > (illusions) as empty. > > > It is true that in meditation consciousness temporarily can turn attention > > away from the forms. That is what you do in Zazen. But that is merely a > > state of mind that helps one recognize the Buddha Nature beyond the forms. > > The world of forms is always there ready to return as soon as you get up > > from sitting.... > > True, with the caveat that after the first experience and continuing practice > you see the world of forms as empty. > > > The trick is to bring that realization into daily life IN the world of > > forms where one continues to realize the Buddha Nature one realized in > > zazen IN the forms of the world in daily life.... > > True, again with the same caveat as above. > > > That is true Zen mind 24/7. This is the teaching of all the great > > teachers...... > > True and False. True: The realization that the world of forms is illusory > and empty is zen practice. False: The 'great teachers' did not teach what > you have described above. ...and besides, since when were you the least bit > interested in teachers? > > > Edgar > > False. I am Bill! >
