good on ya mike... now your talking sake all round...joe are you in this ?..merle
Merle San, "bet ya a japanese sake that i'd beat you hands down on the "competition stakes" as to who is "more zen " ..." Well, if you "were into zen" before I was "even born" is your argument for winning, then my "I can show you my Original Face before your mother was born" trumps you. So make mine an Asahi. Arigato! Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: yam leaf diploma Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:41:20 AM mike... how kind you are to point to me..that i know nothing..and you are the experienced one in your japanese robes and sitting cross legged on your handwoven mat gazing into the eyes of your learned ever so learned teacher... me i'm some degenerate hippy clinging to some faint notion of zen but it's not zen according to you.. bet ya a japanese sake that i'd beat you hands down on the "competition stakes" as to who is "more zen " ... i was into zen before you were born.. grasp that with your critical mind and twist that into another outrageous outlandish statement that: she can't be zen cos her robes aren't japanese. chinese... give me a break mike.. who is on your zen list?.. who's made it through the hoop la ?... and the "curly ching chang" gates you call zen?..merle Merle, If you have never practiced Zen with a teacher and have no grasp of the history of Zen (from Indian Mahayana Buddhism to Chinese C'han to Japanese Zen), then how do you know you are manifesting Buddha Nature as taught by these traditions? Maybe you're mistaking your 'Zen' for a kundalini mystical experience? Maybe a philosophical insight? Maybe a flash back to the 60s? But whatever it is - it's definitely not Zen. I remember thinking this way back when I posted the story about the Buddhist students climbing a mountain to see a statue of the Buddha and when they were disappointed at it being removed for repairs the monk in charge told them that if they couldn't see the Buddha from where they were then they had better go back down the mountain and study some more. I remember your dismissive response to this was along the lines of "what's this nonsense about climbing a hill and not seeing Buddha got to do with anything". This story would be as clear as day to anyone who has experienced Buddha/Buddha Nature. Mike (hoping your knickers aren't twisting too tight!). Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: yam leaf diploma Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:01:18 AM mike..jesus ..are you a crystal ball gazer? ... how the hell would you know if it's zen or not?.. why can't it be successful?...jesus...must zen be chinese japanese orientation?...holy hell.. i thought well obviously mistaken as i am it was a human non racial thing this zen.. here's one to get your kickers into a spin.. . aussie zen... and to prove it years ago i christened one of my students art work...a very small very very ugly clay head.. the aussie buddha.. and it sits near a pond watching the world waiting for the black snake the stork and the frog let's not get racist... zen flows freely like beer from a keg..unless you have no keg...huh? get my drift?.. merle Merle, One can be one's own teacher, but it's not usually very successful, is it? Besides what you are teaching yourself is not Zen - at least not the Zen as taught in the temples of Japan and China. Why not just call it another name? Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: yam leaf diploma Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:37:47 AM joe..you just don't get it...one can be one's own teacher...!!!!!...you might need to follow..however there some who walk amongst us who can teach ourselves... practise is doing ...remember..merle Merle, O, give it up all, you ego-attached "miserables". You cannot do it. Impossible. That's where practice comes in. That baggage, and other baggage, can dissolve. When it dissolves suddenly, you come to see in subsequent days and weeks how you can live without all those habits and conventions, and just "stay real". This is the way of Zen practice, as it's been handed down for over 1500 years. There is no substitute for this teaching, because nothing else is this teaching. Why be put off by it, especially in a forum devoted to its tradition, and discussion of it? It is the strangest incongruity to see you act so. I think you're another one who wants to start her own religion, as does Edgar. How about we let you two fight it out, or agree. How about somewhere else besides here? --Joe > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > edgar.. > > many cling and clutch <snip>
