Edgar, Take heart! The view is always there even if you can't see it right now ; )
Mike --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > Great story! Reminds me of the day I climbed the highest mountain in the > Catskills for the view. At the top we couldn't see more than 10 feet in any > direction for the fog! > > Also reminds me of the day I climbed Mt. Fuji illegally in November way out > of season. Started walking up the road from the bottom mid afternoon. By the > time it was dark a heavy snow was falling. The road was closed and there was > not a single car on it, only the mountain and the trees and the snow and mile > after mile of steadily rising totally empty road and me totally alone. Total > magical silence in the night. A wonderful many hour walking meditation on the > light within! Finally reached base camp where the road ends in the middle of > the night. Only a single custodian there who gave me a bunk in the otherwise > completely empty inn. Unfortunately was unable to finish the climb to the top > as the snow was much too deep toward the summit.... > > Edgar > > > > On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:50 PM, uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > > Merle, > > > > If you have never practiced Zen with a teacher and have no grasp of the > > history of Zen (from Indian Mahayana Buddhism to Chinese C'han to Japanese > > Zen), then how do you know you are manifesting Buddha Nature as taught by > > these traditions? Maybe you're mistaking your 'Zen' for a kundalini > > mystical experience? Maybe a philosophical insight? Maybe a flash back to > > the 60s? But whatever it is - it's definitely not Zen. I remember thinking > > this way back when I posted the story about the Buddhist students climbing > > a mountain to see a statue of the Buddha and when they were disappointed at > > it being removed for repairs the monk in charge told them that if they > > couldn't see the Buddha from where they were then they had better go back > > down the mountain and study some more. I remember your dismissive response > > to this was along the lines of "what's this nonsense about climbing a hill > > and not seeing Buddha got to do with anything". This story would be as > > clear as day to anyone who has experienced Buddha/Buddha Nature. > > > > Mike (hoping your knickers aren't twisting too tight!). > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: yam leaf diploma > > Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:01:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > mike..jesus ..are you a crystal ball gazer? > > > > ... how the hell would you know if it's zen or not?.. > > > > why can't it be successful?...jesus...must zen be chinese japanese > > orientation?...holy hell.. > > > > i thought well obviously mistaken as i am it was a human non racial thing > > this zen.. > > > > here's one to get your kickers into a spin.. > > . > > aussie zen... and to prove it years ago i christened one of my students art > > work...a very small very very ugly clay head.. > > > > the aussie buddha.. and it sits near a pond watching the world waiting for > > the black snake the stork and the frog > > > > let's not get racist... > > > > zen flows freely like beer from a keg..unless you have no keg...huh? get > > my drift?.. > > > > merle > > > > > > Merle, > > > > One can be one's own teacher, but it's not usually very successful, is it? > > Besides what you are teaching yourself is not Zen - at least not the Zen as > > taught in the temples of Japan and China. Why not just call it another > > name? > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...>; > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: yam leaf diploma > > Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:37:47 AM > > > > > > > > joe..you just don't get it...one can be one's own teacher...!!!!!...you > > might need to follow..however there some who walk amongst us who can teach > > ourselves... practise is doing ...remember..merle > > > > Merle, > > > > O, give it up all, you ego-attached "miserables". > > > > You cannot do it. Impossible. > > > > That's where practice comes in. > > > > That baggage, and other baggage, can dissolve. When it dissolves suddenly, > > you come to see in subsequent days and weeks how you can live without all > > those habits and conventions, and just "stay real". This is the way of Zen > > practice, as it's been handed down for over 1500 years. There is no > > substitute for this teaching, because nothing else is this teaching. Why be > > put off by it, especially in a forum devoted to its tradition, and > > discussion of it? It is the strangest incongruity to see you act so. > > > > I think you're another one who wants to start her own religion, as does > > Edgar. > > > > How about we let you two fight it out, or agree. How about somewhere else > > besides here? > > > > --Joe > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > edgar.. > > > > > > many cling and clutch <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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