Bill, Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 minutes apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week...
Edgar On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote: > Joe, Edgar and Everyone, > > I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but some > days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in the morning > shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or any stimulants > like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and then get up and walk > around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs. I like to repeat this two more > times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting. Sometimes I substitute bowing or > chanting for sitting or for one of the sessions. Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 > sessions, and sometimes like I said not at all. > > What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation? > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > > > Edgar, > > > > When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my method of > > meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. This is > > Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to be > > neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old Masters, nor > > even our quite young, recent, master teachers. > > > > To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice. > > > > We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it here. > > Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!). > > > > So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none. > > > > --Joe > > > > PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more than > > *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't name. And > > you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost never". Neither > > Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in their writings: As > > contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; their > > vocalizations have faded. > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Joe and Bill, > > > > > > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of the > > > traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost always > > > the result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of seeing the > > > true nature of the world of forms. > > > > > > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the > > > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting.... > > > >
