Hong, Good question. Yes, of course the world that we think we live in is entirely in our heads. It's a mental model of the external reality we think we live in. That's why it can be considered illusion. Because it is not as it appears to be.
However it must share sufficient logical structure with the external world of forms for us to be able to live and function in that external world of forms. In fact when one subtracts everything mind adds to its mentl model of the world there is nothing left in the external reality except a pure self computing empty information structure. Mind adds everything else. The external information world of forms arises in the one substance of Buddha Nature = Tao = ontological energy (my terminology) like waves arise in water. The waves are pure information forms in the substance of water. They have no other substance than water. Likewise the world of forms are pure information forms in the substance of Buddha Nature. They have no other substance of their own. All their apparent qualities and self substances are added by mind in its model of them that constitutes the world we think we live in. Zen is first understanding this so that one may directly realize the emptiness of things, and the direct presence of the Buddha Nature that is the substance of all forms in all forms. Edgar On May 3, 2013, at 11:57 AM, yonyon...@gmail.com wrote: > > > your own computational world of information forms? how can we even get > beyond our own nervous system, or perception? > > whatever is seen is our nervous system...whatever is heard is our nervous > system, ETC. sense perception, our gateway to the "outside world," is our > nervous system. wouldn't it rather be "MY computational world of information > forms?" since nothing assumes form before our sense perception vis-a-vis our > nervous system. > > hong > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote: > > Bill, > > Edgar says it is a computational world of information forms. > > Do you disagree with me or with Shunryu? > > Shunryu btw is the guy who told me he used reason all the time .... > > Edgar > > > > On May 2, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > "You may say you attained some stage in your practice. But that is just a > > trivial event in your long life. It is like saying the ocean is round, or > > like a jewel, or palace. For a hungry ghost the ocean is a pool of blood; > > for a dragon the ocean is a palace; for a fish it is his house; for a human > > being it is water. There must be various understandings. When the ocean is > > a palace, it is a palace. You cannot say it is not a palace. For a dragon > > it is actually a palace. If you laugh at a fish who says it is a palace, > > Buddha will laugh at you who say it is two o'clock, three o'clock. It is > > the same thing." > > > > - Shunryu Suzuki > > > > > > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote: > > Bill, > > Edgar says it is a computational world of information forms. > > Do you disagree with me or with Shunryu? > > Shunryu btw is the guy who told me he used reason all the time .... > > Edgar > > > > On May 2, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > "You may say you attained some stage in your practice. But that is just a > > trivial event in your long life. It is like saying the ocean is round, or > > like a jewel, or palace. For a hungry ghost the ocean is a pool of blood; > > for a dragon the ocean is a palace; for a fish it is his house; for a human > > being it is water. There must be various understandings. When the ocean is > > a palace, it is a palace. You cannot say it is not a palace. For a dragon > > it is actually a palace. If you laugh at a fish who says it is a palace, > > Buddha will laugh at you who say it is two o'clock, three o'clock. It is > > the same thing." > > > > - Shunryu Suzuki > > > > > >
