Hi Mike, *grin*
I understand what you're trying say. But I believe such no subject-object experience is possible, and that is when who pee for whom no longer matters. Ever read about Bernadette Roberts? She has interesting account on this. Siska Sent from Samsung [email protected] wrote:Siska, Haha! Well, I don't. But that's my point. There might well "only" be actions, but there is still the inescapable subjective experience of them. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: [email protected] <[email protected]>; To: <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: embracing and realising Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 2:13:41 PM Hi Mike, Uhm yes, but why would you want to pee for me? Siska From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:20:58 +0100 (BST) To: [email protected]<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: embracing and realising Siska, But then again, I can't pee for you, either. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: siska <[email protected]>; To: <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: embracing and realising Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 12:21:27 PM Hi Mike, Conventionally speaking, yes. But I guess in the end there is only action.... Siska Sent from Samsung tablet [email protected] wrote: Siska, You're correct, of course, because otherwise we'd be creating a dualism. But there is still room for the subjective in the sense that 'my' actions are not yours. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: [email protected] <[email protected]>; To: <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: embracing and realising Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 4:09:50 PM Hi Mike, I'd probably say because language is relative, we communicate these things in relative terms, not that we really have to. > I suspect you understand me when I say *you* are the path (as in it's not > "out there"). Yes, I agreed with you, initially. But then I thought, it's not "in here" either. That's perhaps why JK put it as 'pathless land'. Neither here nor there, nowhere to go, nothing to be... I'm still all over the places, unfortunately ;) Siska From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 04:29:43 +0100 (BST) To: [email protected]<[email protected]>; zen group<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: embracing and realising Siska. You're absolutely right, but sometimes we have to use relative terms if we communicate in a place such as this. I suspect you understand me when I say *you* are the path (as in it's not "out there"). Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone From: [email protected] <[email protected]>; To: <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: embracing and realising Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 4:20:15 PM Hi Mike, > Wasn't it Krishnamurti who said that Truth is a "pathless land"? Yes, that's the guy :) > I don't necessarily agree with that though, in the sense that we *are* the > path and manifest it in our thoughts and actions. I'm not JK nor am I expert in his teaching, but I suspect to him, *we* don't exist either.... Siska From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 06:18:00 +0100 (BST) To: [email protected]<[email protected]>; zen group<[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: embracing and realising Siska, Wasn't it Krishnamurti who said that Truth is a "pathless land"? I don't necessarily agree with that though, in the sense that we *are* the path and manifest it in our thoughts and actions. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone From: [email protected] <[email protected]>; To: <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: embracing and realising Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 11:24:58 PM Hi Joe, Description of a path is a metaphor. I don't think it matters whether you're going up or down. Some also say there's no journey, you're already there.... Siska From: "Joe" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 18:06:28 -0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [Zen] Re: embracing and realising Bill!, Siska, My path is going down the mountain. Truly. Going down. Like to the basement, the wine-cellar. Still going down; every moment. Sometimes I climb when it's needed, or it's "Up, periscope!", but then down, down. The eye rests. The body takes care of itself. Mountains are in my name, and my blood, and in my hiking shoes. This Zen practice of ours is going down, down, down. Down, even below the valley. Spelunking. Below spelunking. --Joe > "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > Siska, > > I think there are many different paths up the mountain.
