scary..as sometimes one feels the communication is between individuals...this then is an illusion?..merle Merle,
Of course you can 'butt in'! That's what an open forum is for; but when we do that in the forum we call it 'spontaneously participating in the discussion'...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  may i butt in:... > > folk have preconceived ideas about most things by the time they can speak as > babies... > >  as adults they are filled to the brim in their minds with preconceived > ideas...programmed up so to speak... > > to see the truth...one must take off the blindfold and see with a fresh eye > and an open mind > > just as it is > > away from the shadows..into the clear light of day... > > merle > > > >  > Edgar, > > Thanks for posting this. > > As you know I've struggled for sometime about just what term to express what > I call 'illusions' - thoughts, logic, forms, etc... I rejected 'delusions' > and 'hallucinations' because they do carry with them a sense of falseness or > mental disorder. I've thought about using 'mental models' and I like > 'perceptions', but in the end, or at least for now, have stuck with the > traditional Buddhist term 'illusions'. > > The definition given below of Maya is the definition I intend when I use the > term 'illusion', I've carefully read the article below through twice and I > believe it supports everything I've said in the past and certainly in recent > posts. > > I myself think of the term illusions as very similar to the way we use the > term 'illusion' when we describe 'magic' or 'sleight-of-hand' tricks. The > actions seem to show something happening that is in fact not happening, or at > least is not happening the way we think it is. It is our mind (intellect) > that adds-in non-existent 'clues' or ignores existent clues and then makes > assumptions that lead us to a false conclusion about what happen and how it > happened. This is especially a good example because it is us, our intellect, > that projects the misleading clues or filters out the missed clues and > creates as a false perception of what we are experiencing (seeing in the case > of 'magic' tricks). > > Since you posted this I assume you also think it supports your worldview but > does not support mine (or at least what you think mine is). If you'll point > out areas of the article that you think do either of those I'd be happy to > engage with you on a discussion about those. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > Philosophy and illusion > > [edit] > > > > Just like many other words often used in a different sense in spirituality > > the word "illusion" is used to denote different aspects in Hindu Philosophy > > (Maya). Many Monist philosophies clearly demarcate illusion from truth and > > falsehood. As per Hindu advaita philosophy, Illusion is something which is > > not true and not false. Whereas in general usage it is common to assume > > that illusion is false, Hindu philosophy makes a distinction between Maya > > (illusion) and falsehood. In terms of this philosophy maya is true in > > itself but it is not true in comparison with the truth. As per this > > philosophy, illusion is not the opposite of truth or reality. Based on > > these assumptions Vedas declare that the world as humans normally see is > > illusion (Maya). It does not mean the world is not real. The world is only > > so much real as the image of a person in a mirror. The world is not > > real/true when compared to the reality. But the world is also not false. > > Falsehood is > something which does not exist. if we apply this philosophy to the above > example, the illusion is not actually illusion but is false. This is because > in general usage people tend to consider lllusion to be the same as > falsehood. As per adishankar's a guru of monist teachings the world we think > is not true but is an illusion (not true not false). The truth of the world > is something which can only be experienced by removing the identity (ego). > > > > Edgar > > >
