Merle and Joe,
Here is some 'Cartoon Zen' that supports Joe's point below:


...Bill!
--- In [email protected], "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Dear Merle,
>
> Our practice does not result in an acquirement.  It results in a loss.
>
> When we lose all, we are in the basement.  We are below the foundation
of all things.
>
> It's a good place.  It is the ground of our Humanity, and of all
beings, and all things.  There is nothing dizzying (nor claustrophobic)
about it.
>
> I call it a wine-cellar because "basement" alone sounds spartan.  It
is not spartan.  It is richly appointed.
>
> I was not taught this analogy, no: This is Joe talking.  Many people
will know what I mean, or may have used a similar analogy themselves,
and can instantly recognize the meaning.
>
> --Joe
>
> > Merle Lester merlewiitpom@ wrote:
> >
> >  i see joe...
> >
> > is that what YOU were taught?..the wine- cellar scenario?
> > there are teachers and teachers... and more teachers..
> > again i ask who is the teacher and who is the student?
> > did not many a musical genius start his career in the basement to
climb to the top of the dizzy heights?
> > merle
>

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