Bill!,

Well observed.

Those who undervalue the benefits we derive from being taught by parents and 
teachers and by Culture reminds me of the efforts by some who engage in 
electioneering.  They sometimes try to enhance to an extreme their semblance of 
independence and self-reliance.

A funny instance of this came up during a discussion in the midst of the 
selection of candidates during the recent Presidential campaign in USA.  One 
commentator observed that a certain candidate seemed to want people to believe 
that:

 "...he himself had built the log cabin that he was born in".

;-)

Having a good laugh again today, recalling this, in the present discussion 
about Zen teaching and teachers.

--Joe

> "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Edgar,
> 
> You asked, "Did you need a teacher to start breathing when you were born?"
> 
> I may have done that spontaneously but I may have needed a slap on my butt to 
> start that process.  I don't remember.




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