what is meant by life...? merle
There's life on Mars? You'd better break the news to David Bowie! Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:27:10 AM no no no mike..life is art and art is life..merle Merle, If you go to Mars or the furthest galaxy away from us you will find impermanence, cause and effect, dependent origination, but you won't find art. In relative terms, your 2 hands exist and can be seen, touched etc., but the number '2' exists only in logic and the minds of men. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:18:47 AM thank you for the congrats mike the lass is over the moon with my art..says she'll be back for more... her mother said why have you all that beautiful work hidden away it needs to be out there... i prefer to just do art... selling is not in my nature on-line art buying is a great way to get it out there into the market place i cannot agree with you mike..art..look at the bower bird ... maths look at a spider's web... must i go on? merle Merle, Congrats on your sale - it must be satisfying to have someone appreciate what you do to the point of paying money for it. I agree with Bill! that art, maths are only universal in that they apply to humans. The only things that are truly universal are the factors Buddha found: impermanence, non-self, emptiness, cause and effect and that everything depends on prior conditions for its existence (Dependent Origination). Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:41:11 AM meaning what mike?... i know what you mean by the mushrooms..but do you? are we on the same mushroom page? something akin to alice in wonderland? hey folk..i just sold one of my drawings: "autumn fungi "... i do believe i sent you a pix joe..remember ?... i feel over the moon. as a mother bought it for her daughter for her 30th birthday... it is wonderful to share the visions...and communicate through the universal language of art merle.. NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Merle, I think we have different kinds of mushrooms in mind! Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 3:43:48 AM mike...postal address please i'll send you some...merle Merle, I'm sure you did! I was just giving you the Zen view about 'adding nothing'. Btw, if you're seeing snakes with legs then I want some of those wild mountain mushrooms you must be cooking.. ; ) Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:55:42 AM as if i did not know this mike.. thanks for sharing ... so a sunset just is however... what sort of a world is it if we cannot understand the concept of beauty... ? merle..a snake with legs is a lizard... Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma Merle, A sunset just is. In Zen terms, adding adjectives to it is like painting legs on a snake. Beauty is not intrinsic to a sunset. In fact, it doesn't even exist *in itself* when you consider it only appears from the perspective of where you stand to view it. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad bill..is that so?...is that what you have realised or have been told to believe think and feel?.. have you never seen a beautiful sunset ?...merle Merle, Math is judged to be beautiful because it is logical. Yes. Logic is judged to be beautiful because it deceives us into thinking we understand the truth. Truth is not beautiful or not-beautiful. Truth just is. All judgments come from your delusive intellect and self. If you are looking for 'realization' [Buddha Nature?] then you'll have to let go your attachments to such things as self, intellect, truth and beauty. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > mathematics is beautiful because it is logical > > Â logic is beautiful because it is so pointing to the truth > > truth is so beautiful because it points and parts the way for realisation to > take place .. > > merle > > Â > Edgar, > > Reality is not bound by logic. I'd buy your statement if you said 'math > words because it accurately models our logically-based perception of > reality', but I suppose that wouldn't work for you. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > No, no, no. Human math works because it DOES accurately model the actual > > logic of reality. > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > Mathematics doesn't reveal reality. Mathematics only mirrors the human > > > intellect. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The thing I like about math as a source of analogies for zen is that it > > > > shows how two different things csn br exactly the same. > > > > > > > > Linear equations over reals are lines. Lines are linear equations. > > > > Numbers, points, the constituents drop away as the eternal unity is > > > > seen. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Chris > > > > 301-270-6524 > > > > On Jul 3, 2013 8:12 AM, <pandabananasock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bill!: > > > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking for > > > > > an > > > > > impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > > > > > > > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you > > > > > back > > > > > to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the model, > > > > > then > > > > > we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize that > > > > > both > > > > > are models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses all > > > > > -- no > > > > > need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and > > > > > mountains > > > > > again! > > > > > ~PeeBeeEss > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and > > > > > Karma > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > > > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > > > > > > > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > > > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > > > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > > > > > the act itself. > > > > > > > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > > > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > > > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > > > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit > > > > > different. The equal-sign is the present. > > > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > > > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > > > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > > > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > > > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > > > > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or > > > > > are > > > > > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
