Re: [Zen] Illusions

Sat, 14 Sep 2013 20:45:35 -0700 


 for you or for me?...merle
  
This is easy to agree with, but to do so sustains the error this seeks to 
correct. No explanation can suffice.

KG


On 9/14/2013 5:56 AM, Bill! wrote:

  
>Merle,
>
>No! The human intellect including thinking does not have
              to be discarded. It the ATTACHEMENT to thinking that must
              be discarded. Thinking just has to be seen for what it is:
              delusion. Once that is realized and accepted then you can
              think all you want, and not form attachments to the
              thoughts.
>
>...Bill!
>
>--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
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>>  thinking...really bill..must it be discarded full
              stop?...merle
>>   
>> Merle!!! BINGO!!!!
>> 
>> Buddha taught that 'all sentient beings have Buddha
              Nature'.
>> 
>> Humans aren't the only beings that are sentient.
>> 
>> Merriam-Webster Online defines 'sentient' as:
>> 
>> "Sentient : able to feel, see, hear, smell, or taste
>> 1: responsive to or conscious of sense impressions
              <sentient beings>"
>> 
>> What is important to me in this definition is what is
              does NOT say is a characteristic of 'sentient'. It does
              NOT list any intellectual qualities like logic or reason -
              basically what we call 'thinking'.
>> 
>> So...it is now and has been for over 40 years that
              'Buddha Nature' refers ONLY to sensual experience, and is
              not at all dependent upon the human intellect.
>> 
>> So...back to your question...
>> 
>> "...what about animals and vegetation... have they
              true essence too?"
>> 
>> My answer is YES! Of course. Animals and plants that
              have the ability to experience their environment have
              'True Essence" which can also be called "Buddha Nature".
>> 
>> ...Bill! 
>> 
>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
>> >
>> > bill..i see..very human type of
              understanding..... what about animals and vegetation...
              have they true essence too?..merle
>> > 
>> >   
>> > Merle,
>> > 
>> > I believe in zen (and Buddhist) terminology
              "Buddha Nature" is the same as "true essence" in the
              subject graphic.
>> > 
>> > ...Bill! 
>> > 
>> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
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>> > >  so what is true essence?...merle
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>> > > I agree with this the way I interpret it
              ... But I say it a lot more clearly in my book...
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>> > > Edgar
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>> > > On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Bill! wrote:
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>> > >   
>> > > >Here's a nice one posted especially for
              Edgar for two reasons:
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>> > > >1.  to see if he's still around
>> > > >2.  to get his comment.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >I generally like the message, but could
              do without everything after "He's saying..." up to the
              last sentence.  I like the last sentence.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >...Bill! 
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